Try creating a new dashboard, and then adding those two TiZ charts again to that new dashboard. You might find different numbers.
I had this issue (I mentioned in an earlier post) with the “power after 1500kj” graph showing two different things in two different dashboards. I re-added the chart to new dashboards (and even a new view) and all new charts added were perfectly consistent… so I just removed the old/incorrect one and the issue has not resurfaced.
unfortunately that didn’t work. So I’ve completely deleted all data/caches/etc and starting over as if it was a first install.
After a good think, it appears the iLevel chart is based on mFTP while Classic chart is based on sFTP. Right now there is a 40+ watt difference between the two, hence the chart differences.
Surely this is able to be changed easily by editing the formula?
I wonder why the iLevel TiZ and classic TiZ charts (which appear side by side in the same dashboard in the default view) are based on different FTP metrics by default?
WKO uses PDC for iLevels above FTP, and I have some things to try however you can’t fit a square peg in a round hole. In other words, certain features in WKO are going to fail if you don’t feed the PDC model (estimated % VO2max being another). Garbage in, garbage out. I’m just going to ignore some of these things until moving out of traditional base.
Do you find Smart segments work? I am hit or miss - I understand that sometimes if GPS data not amazing it can miss the segment. Which I can understand, except Strava will somehow manage to capture that exact same segment data with no issue.
It’s no big deal, Smart Segments are a nice to have vs essential bit - but I would either it worked all the time, or never !
I think Smart Segments has the potential of significant value as many of us use outside terrain for interval training, to track progress on certain segments or for all-out (PR) efforts. For me, I have done a significant amount of this type of segment analysis over the last few years in TP Premium. It has fine-grain control over the segment start and end points. So when WKO5 introduced SS, I was pretty excited about that (i.e. not having to manually identify the same segment after each outdoor ride). However, I was disappointed to learn that WKO does not sync segments from TP Premium (I have since asked @TimWKO about this and am hoping it gets on the WKO roadmap). However, I was willing to “bite the bullet” and recreate the same “Smart Segments” in WKO. What I found is that, relative to TP Premium, the quality of the route map and the ability to zoom in and accurately define the start and end points of a segment in WKO5 (i.e. fine-grain control) is poor. As such, I am “guessing” that part of the problem that you may be encountering is the same issue I had (the intended smart segment is not accurately defined), and therefore, you aren’t really capturing the segment you are intending to.
Same here. The suggestion from TP is use the lap button. I haven’t done a full side-to-side comparison, but in my limited experience it seems Golden Cheetah does a better job. But maybe it’s just disappointment over trying WKO5 smart segments on a crit and seeing poor results and confusing UI (all segments in RHE had same start time).
Perhaps useful for many situations, but not all. Try hitting the lap button while in the drops winding up for a full-on sprint and ditto when letting of the gas at the finish; not practical and pretty dangerous, particularly in group ride situations.
Exactly. I try and use the lap button on solo training rides, but even then I forgot sometimes. Next crit I’ll try and remember to use the Garmin auto-lap feature.
A few things. TP does not have smart segments so not sure what @bobmac means. Yes, you can drag over a segment and review the data but that does not save or allow for any analytics.
In WKO you can simply drag the section of the file you want and save it as a smart segment. I created a simple “segment” dashboard in my WKO Basic view and I just drag the graph. Here , I made a video to demo: Dropbox - segments .mp4 - Simplify your life
Hi Tim, I know that TP Premium does not have “smart segments” as WKO5 defines them. However, it does allow for user created segments. They are loaded with high quality analytical information. An example of a well known [ridiculously hard] SF Bay Area segment is below. Each time I do that, or the more infamous, Old La Honda, I need to create that segment in TP to analyze it with the kind of info that TP provides. “It would be nice” if, when syncing TP to WKO, that those user created segments are synced as Smart Segments in WKO (or available to be classified as Smart Segments after syncing). I hope this clarifies the request. Thanks.
Bob, understood, thanks for clarifying. What you are creating is a “selection” in a workout of TrainingPeaks, that selection, once named is only saved to that workout. The saved selection is in that workout only and not saved across any workout that has that unique GPS track in it. The point you are making is you want that saved selection, in the individual workout “synced” into WKO5. Is that correct?
Smart Segments are similar to that but in WKO5 when you create a smart segment from a workout it WILL look at all the times you did complete that same exact GPS track and place them in the RHE list (can see in the end of the video), ranking by speed or power and allowing for in-depth comparison of each time you have completed the track ( not just the one time selection as in TrainingPeaks - that was my point about analytics, i meant ALL the times you have done the smart segment).
I know you know the above but clarifying as the feature I think you are requesting is you want the individual workout selection you saved in TrainingPeaks to transfer to WKO so you can save it as a smart segment. Is that correct?
For other following, the above is the key difference between selecting a selection in TrainingPeaks and a WKO5 Smart Segment. There is no need to hit a lap button, can just drag and save in file then every time you do that “finishing sprint” or “hard climb” where hitting the lap button could be dangerous, you can review the smart segment in WKO5.
…and yes I know I am basically repeating your post back to you but want to be clear
Tim thanks for posting here, much appreciated
I have used Smart Segments with some success (always via a lap)
Issue I have today is I created a lap and its saved on WK05 with full data
When I go to name it something it then appears on the smart segments tab but says I have done no rides yet - which by definition cant be true - there needs to be one at least
Not sure if I am doing something wrong?
Otherwise I am loving WKO5; and there is so much more to learn
The issue is GPS. In order to keep the analytics tight and accurate, we needed to set some limits on GPS “echo” (you might call it drift) and overlap. Echo is when you simply get a lot of noise in the GPS data. You can often see this on the map when the GPS line leaves the road. We do not allow much echo / drift but think we need to open it up a bit more. Overlap is when the start and finish overlap. I have seen cases where a person starts a lap that starts a point X (start line) and then finishes just beyond point X when they hit the lap button again then turn that into a smart segment and it does not show. This is due to the overlap of the segment as that makes it confusing as you need a clear start and finish, Those two can make a segment not calculate. Also, using Smart Recording on a Garmin can ball things up also. Hope that helps
@bobmac Thanks for comments. I logged it into our feature list and will bring it up in next review.
Thanks for the video @TimWKO.
I can see a few use cases going on here:
Of the two, which is likely to yield better and more consistent results for ensuring Smart Segements get identified and handled properly by WKO5?
Cheers!
PS: Broken record here, but any progress on a non-Facebook forum for WKO5 users? A great many of us have boycotted that platform and are missing out on the info there (and those on it are missing out on ours!). “If you build it they will come!” 
Thanks for your detailed response! Yes, your assumptions throughout it are correct about my request.
Yes, I do know that the “selection” is specific to the workout file. However, what immediately triggered the thought (request) when I first learned of Smart Segments in your initial webinar is that, when you hit the Lap button for the start and stop of a segment on your Garmin, you are creating a lap that seems to get imported into WKO (for the user to later determine whether to make a Smart Segment out of it). So it “seemed to me” that, if you are able to do this for Laps created by hitting Garmin buttons, why not be able to do it for user created TP segment selections? They (Garmin laps and TP segment selections) are both based off GPS data. And similar to your comment regarding “hard climb” and “finishing sprint”, when you do a ride that includes the same GPS segment, you would be gaining a history of your performance on that segment (presuming you designated it as a Smart Segment). Thanks.
@TimWKO said that it will be after the World Championships. See post 227 in this thread.
