And then you rated it “moderate”
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Should they have rated it differently?
They said it “wasn’t sufficiently difficult,”
If it were me, I’d be rating that easy. Moderate would be “sufficiently difficult.”
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Have you emailed support?
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Oh no, not again …
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Remind us what happens if you manually adjust your FTP to what you think it should be?
For the uninitiated, this person had spent some time on their Stages bike with only one crank paired to TR so the AI thinks they’re half as strong as they are.
The fix put in place for this kind of issue by TR is to do a ramp test but they don’t want do do a ramp test.
There may be a genuine issue here though because we as users have lost the ability to just tell the system how strong we are - the AI seems to need to learn it on its own - maybe the ramp test resets things?
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It was moderate because I increased the power by 175% using the manual adjustment after starting. If I’d left it I wouldn’t have had a workout. Tha actual power during the rest intervals was at the same level as the FTP. See the screenshot. Actual power yellow line FTP white line at 100 the other white is cadence.
The initial problem was that I paired the Stages bike and two power meters to the app. The first ramp test set the power at double. It was reading 100watts when the real power was 200 watts. I later found that this is a known issue but they didn’t bother to fix it ir to note it in the set up instructions.
If I enter the correct FTP the app won’t generate any workouts.(unless I accept thre AI FTP or do a ramp test)
So how’d that go?
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I don´t want to do a ramp test.
- I don´t want to put my heart rate above the medically recommended limit. A ramp test always does this.
- I don´t want to do a ramp test
- A ramp test does not fit into my training schedule
- Even if I do another ramp test I still want to be able to change the FTP if AI has it wrong.
- I want to be able to change my FTP in the future, e.g. after a layoff due to injury and not have to train for a month with unsuitable workouts just because I can´t override an incorrect AI FTP.
For me it is unacceptable that Trainerroad can´t simply fix this issue. Just replace the AI detected FTP with a manual input and let AI start over again. Why is it so difficult?
I would also like to know why this issue is marked as solved when it clearly is not solved.
My understanding from your previous posts about this was they explained to you that they don’t have the data they need because of the bad historical power meter readings. Even if they wiped your account, let you start fresh, and manually set your FTP, they still wouldn’t have the data they need to give you appropriate workouts. I think that’s why they said this is the solution.
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What method/protocol are you using to determine your correct FTP?
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I think it’s marked as solved because the OP’s issue was solved.
Hope this helps.
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Probably best to got back and exclude the old dodgy rides from calculations?
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You have provided the system with bad data. That isn’t on TR.
The system needs the data to work. You can still use it and feed it good data for a time by doing workouts that you select and rating them honestly working at the level that you can do them.
Or you can do a ramp test.
This hasn’t changed from 2 years ago, 2 months ago or 2 days ago. That is how it worked for someone who fed the system bad data or had no data.
As noted you can exclude data from the system. So you can go in and manually do that for any rides pre fixing of your stages bike data or you can probably have support delete anything old depending on how much data you have.
As for solved.. this isn’t your thread, you don’t get to decide when the op has had their issue resolved or not.
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I can confirm my problem is solved 
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I should not have to do inappropriate workouts for (at least) a month just because of a bug.
You need to calm down and self reflect. This was a you issue. Multiple other people have commented that they set up the bike correctly following the instructions, if you had followed the instructions accurately from stages then you would have been fine, if you had paused and realized you were working at a level twice as hard as expected for half the watts then you would have been fine.
I get that it’s frustrating to need to do the ramp test, but you don’t have valid data for an estimation. No system is going to be able to work off of that.
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There is no bug.
You supplied bad data the system can’t do anything with it. That’s not on TR. The solution is the same as if you never did a workout before because your data is bad which makes it virtually the same.
The previous time frame was 10 workouts to feed ai ftp. I can’t imagine that changed. So it won’t be more than a month it may be less.
Or… Do a ramp test.
You’ve been given all the answers and at this point you’re just fighting them for some unknown reason.
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Is it not a case of garbage in garbage out?
Yes it sucks, but it’s not a tr issue per se; if you fed incorrect watts to a real person coaching you they’d give you incorrect targets.
As you can’t ramp test maybe run a couple weeks in MyWoosh doing a bunch of free rides and some TR train now’s that hit your targets. Then there should be enough stable decent information to build from.
Plus MyWoosh isn’t bad for a few fun laps.
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