Thanks Brandon - as most of my training has been unstructured or my own workouts for the past couple of months the suggested workouts are unsurprisingly low. Will see how I get on over the next week as the AI adjusts the workouts to suit. Looking forward to it!
You don’t like to extend post intervals with endurance? Building some resiliency for longer events
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I think he’s asking why you don’t extend it and increase to around 65% of ftp as opposed to 50%.
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@GeorgeAnderson is correct that is where I was coming from. To me doesnt seem a very productive way to use 90 minutes, at 60% - 65% yes. I always add as much time as I can before and/or after intervals. Anyway, apologies my comment was off topic.
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Well, I was actually running around 65% (much as I wish 243 was 50% of my FTP, it is not)
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Yeah, I was going off previous mentions in the thread that outside structured TR workouts are still processed by AT. I did an outdoor one last week (Kaweah T 4.8), and the level I hit was the same as the workout target level of 4.8, but there wasn’t much else to go on from that. I’m holding my judgement on it until I can do an outdoor one now that I have access. Will compare it to previous outdoor workouts I’ve done and see if there are any differences in how they appear to be used or displayed (I’m thinking there probably won’t be differences for what it’s worth).
While adaptive training looks super cool, is waiting a but really going to make that much of a difference in your life, or even your training over the short (relatively at least) period you have to wait. It’s not like you can’t train in the meantime, or that your training now isn’t productive. Hell ever since they announced it, I’ve been way more consistent just because now I know the AI is watching me, judging me…
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Got a question. Between Adaptive Training and TrainNow. Im correct by thinking the AT will only work if you’re folowing a TR training plan integrating youre outdoor rides and in other apps and misses and failures on the plan adapting the future trainings while TN only works has training sugestions for those not using a plan and not taking in consideration all the work done even if its outside or on other apps?
If this is correct I wont be using much either One soon. I would love a TN suggestion for a certain day i feel like doing a TR workout but only if it considers what i’ve been doing elsewhere. For instance doesnt feel logical to get the 3 type suggestions by TN the day after of having raced on another APP doing a all out effort. Also if TN considers the background that it would make it much more interesting could it also account the future events if we have them in the calendar?
- AFAIK, TN IS taking into account your surrounding TR workouts right now.
- This includes outside workouts performed to and associated with a planned TR outside workout on the calendar.
- It does not currently include “unstructured” rides our workouts that are not associated with a planned TR outside workout.
- That last one is planned to change, when the get the analysis and recognition of unstructured rides complete and released.
More can be learned about TN in the current long thread, where I have read and summarized above (hopefully accurately as of now).
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I’de already read a substantial part of the posts on that thread. Your summary helped a lot. Thanks.
Im at the point now of evaluating the need to renew my yearly subscription once I only have been using it ocasionaly and only having a TN suggestion taking in consideration all my rides structured or not outside or on other apps would make an excelent point to keep on subscribing.
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I haven’t read all the posts so forgive me if this has already been answered. If I have been doing more volume or intensity than the plan calls for, for whatever reason, will AT recommend a rest day or recovery ride that otherwise was not in the plan?
Adaptive Training is amazing, thank you. I have a lot more confidence to train.
I was coming off a couple of big bumps from sweet spot base I and II (218 to 259) so I knew that build would be a problem. I tried to hang on but after a week I had to reset back to sweet spot base. It was nice to see achievable and progressive workouts at the end of the base block, breakthrough workouts with the big bump into build, and then the reset back to achievable. Hopefully adaptable training will move me up the progressions again quickly.
A couple of small improvements:
- I can’t seem to see the survey results for the completed workout. I would have expected to see it next to the progression delta.
- It would be nice to see the achievable, progression, stretch, breakthrough for future workouts without having to click through to open it up
- I would have expected to see ftp on the career page in mobile
Generally though, very clear and uncomplicated. Super exciting, clearly a 10x improvement.
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You certainly are, and I’m also entitled to think your reasons for being dissatisfied are unreasonable. He is getting the access because TR is using it as a marketing opportunity. Pretty sure he isn’t even paying a subscription either. Oh well, I think it’s fair for them use it as an opportunity to show their upcoming features to Norcal Cyclings subs, who are tightly aligned with their target demo.
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When is adaptive training going to start asking for feedback on the workouts when finished? Am using iOS app on an iPad
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You need to be accepted into the Beta group, and jump through the steps they give you to turn it on.
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You need to be running the iOs beta app as well.
Once both of those are complete, you should be getting the ride surveys for completed TR workouts, and possibly the TR outside workouts linked to completed ones imported (but I am not totally sure on that one).
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I applied for the Beta group but haven’t heard back. I am using the beta app.
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We are all in a randomized cue supposedly. I’m sure you will get an email or something. Good luck to you!!
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I don’t think variable colors for over vs under target are terribly worthwhile. Bright green is good, and I usually know where I am relative to the target even in the medium greens with just a peek. YMMV.
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So I’m getting a sense of how AT is working for me in for Sweet Spot (thats pretty much all I have done since getting the beta on Monday) but above and below that is still a bit of a mystery.
I’m doing SSBHV at the moment, and it seems like if I complete a 6.5 rated SS workout, the recommended adaptation is to change the next SS workout to a 6.6. It’s not clear to me how much its taking current fatigue and the overall plan into consideration. It’s also a bit odd that quite often the suggested workout is up to 30 minutes and 25TSS more or less than the originally scheduled workout. So far I have declined all of the proposed changes.
I’ll have to wait to find out, but I assume endurance works the same way, but this makes me wonder if AT will keep pushing harder and harder “easy” rides which will end up messing up the hard rides. I can always go a bit harder on an easy day, buts that not really the point is it?
Sprint is where I am really puzzled. Before today, I have never done a TR sprint workout, but I have done plenty of sprinting on TR with custom workouts and free rides. I have always charted my “pure sprint” by looking at max power at 5/10/20 seconds. I did Haku tonight and pushed my sprint progression from 1.0 → 2.1, which still sounds a bit low, so I started shopping for a new sprint workout to do next week.
Looking at the whole catalog of sprint workouts, the most, longest sprints with the shortest rests get the highest progression scores. If the AT progression pushes you towards longer sprints and shorter rests, thats not really maximizing your sprint, thats maximizing something else. To me that sounds like a strength coach saying “to increase your 1RM on squat, we’ll work up to 10 sets of 20 reps and keep decreasing rest between sets” - it just doesn’t make any sense. I realize only about 1% of TR users actually care about maximizing sprint power, but this just seems odd to me. Maybe I’m thinking too much about the progression levels as slices of the P-D curve, but if thats not what they are, then what are they?
I also think this would be a nice touch. I had emailed support about it as a bug and they indicated to me that the workout difficulties (achievable, productive, etc.) not showing it on the calendar view for future is as intended. I didn’t probe as to why, but I assume it is because that difficulty rating would change with every adaptation and would be confusing for users.
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