How much did you raise your FTP after the test? If it was a big bump, these levels would help you ease in with your new higher FTP.
OK, that makes sense, as AT would be useless for someone like me who does a significant amount of unstructured z2 rides outside.
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I don’t have AT, but I noticed that TrainNow went right back to complete off the couch workout suggestions after simply fixing a FTP sync error between mobile/desktop. With only a 6W change in FTP. What you’re reporting suggests what I suspected… seems like we will have to be very very careful before making a FTP change now if using these functions.
Does AT take into account data that was
“removed” using the reset career option? Last year I swapped from virtual power to a power meter and reset my career due to a 20% decrease in power readings.
Really hoping it can still use the old data since I reset like 80% of my TR rides.
If the career reset does impact it, a warning should probably be added to that page now.
While older data and trends are incorporated into the overall dataset to help AT get smarter overall, for your actual training your most recent rides are much more important. A past change in power meters as you’ve described won’t meaningfully affect how Adaptive Training handles your current workouts.
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AT is still useful even if they’re not currently counting unstructured outdoor rides. The system will still adjust your SS/threshold/vo2 workouts based on what you’re doing for TR workouts
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Scarily my FTP change was also 6W… (cue twilight zone theme tune…)
I’m not sure about that. Maybe if your unstructured outdoor rides were easy Z1/22 rides, but what if you did a hammer fest group ride with 220tss, a bunch of over/under work, and a solid amount of tempo as an example. I would think AT would like to know that if you have a VO2max session the next day, no?
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yes - did a ramp yesterday and same happened to me - I did a 30 min endurance ride after that bumped my endurance to 2.5 but rest are now 1.
BTW - my change was an 8 watt decrease
Not sure if this is expected behavior
I think I’ve read somewhere that after a ramp test all progression levels will reset to 4.0 (not trying to answer any previous questions about progressions resetting to 1.0, just setting up my question below).
My question is, say I do a block of training that doesn’t include any VO2 work, my progression level is likely to decay under 4.0, say to 2.5, due to lack of training in that one area.
If I then do another ramp test, will my VO2 progression level go back up to 4.0?
A day before that ramp test it would have said that a 2.5 VO2 workout was achievable but now it will suggest that a 4.0 workout (based on a higher FTP) is now achievable without any training on that energy system?
I didn’t do a ramp test, and all my levels started at 4. I just signed up 3 weeks ago on TR after not using it since last March.
Hey all,
After a ramp test with an FTP increase, your levels should decrease in a nuanced way, related to both the size of the FTP increase as well as your past performance and recent relative abilities. Right now we’re seeing a bug for some users causing an unintended drop to 1.0 levels after Ramp Tests, and it sounds like that’s what’s happening here. This isn’t an intended behavior, but we’re aware of it and looking into it! Thank you for bringing it up and continue to let us know if you see this happen.
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May be because there is nothing but sweetspot workouts in SSBHV. Perhaps it’s a good reason do select a different plan that has more variety in the types of work. The podcasts seem to refer to the high volume plan as a bit of an anomoly.
This looks like a bug. Definitely send in your screenshot and experience to support@trainerroad.com to get them on top of it. I had a couple wonky things happen over the weekend as well (outdoor structured rides not counting toward progression levels), and they’re looking into them now.
EDIT: Looks like they already know and are on top of it.
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This further increases my confidence in my speculation on the Train Now thread that any tweak to FTP - even without a ramp test - thows it back to starting with a blank page. (and good to hear that it’s not suppsoed to work that way)
In my case, no ramp test - just a manual adjust to get desktop/mobile in sync again. Progression levels bouncing back to 1.0 for everything is totally consistent with the kind of workouts I was getting suggested after doing first 1.5 weeks of General Build, starting to get some very nice suggestions, and then seeing TrainNow revert around that FTP sync fix.
Yep, it’s the same issue, but our engineers have a fix in the pipeline for it across the board right now.
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Well, I finally accepted some adaptations to my plan, which included yesterdays workout changing from Hunter-2 (SS 5.1) to Logan-3 (SS 6.8). I expected it to be a struggle after a slightly harder than planned outdoor ride Saturday, but in the end, it was pretty easy.
So maybe the AI does know best… 
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The app appeared to hang after I had finished my workout and rated it (waiting for a backend service?). When I reloaded the app I had some pending adaptations. As hoped, AT made all the future sweet spot workouts harder (I had gone back to sweet spot base low volume I after a 19% increase across SPBLV I and II). It also made one final threshold workout easier (perhaps to manage fatigue?).
I had been tempted to manually select a harder workout this morning, but decided to trust the process. I’m super happy, this is exactly what I was hoping for with adaptive training.
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Probably been asked before, but these AT threads are becoming massive…
Is it possible to see workout ratings without being in the beta? Say I wanted to see what various Vo2 workouts were rated at - anywhere I can see that now?
No.