Seems a good summary. Despite all that I was going to upgrade until I realised that the discounted price was then plus USA tax.
Decided not to bother as I was not exactly blown away with the new version and WKO4 met my needs.
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Iâm nearly at the end of a 2-week trial, and I wonât be buying, at least not for now.
But not because of issues with wko5, but with the whole wko system in general. The more I explore, the more I look through discussions in the Facebook group, the more it seems like a straitjacket rather than a training tool. And anyone who questions the methodology or the results is told theyâre not doing it right.
In some cases, to use a popular current term, it becomes almost like gaslighting: I still chuckle at the guy who literally rode at 240 watts for an hour and was then persuaded to accept his mFTP of 214.
I also dislike its reliance on straight power testing. Itâs summer, I donât want to do a 43 minute test to fill in a gap in my PDC. But this supposedly amazing system is telling me that even though Iâve ridden a 2 hour road race at 276 NP, my mFTP is 255. And the problem is that just about all the insights it offers are dependent on having an accurate PDC.
Everything feels arbitrary and inflexible. On the group I raised the question of their supposedly intelligent recommended âextensive anaerobicâ intervals. The prescription was a 1 min on / 2 min off workout at such a ridiculous power that Iâd have been lucky to complete two of them. It would have redefined the term âNP Busterâ. And yet I was just fobbed off with the ridiculous suggestion that I try it until I can increase the number of intervals.
What I like about TR is that it responds to data and to real world results. When the ramp test was in beta, they checked workout compliance and changed the formula until they got it right. WKO might work really well for TT training maybe, but itâs not for me.
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Out of curiosity, did you actually end up trying the workout? I wanted to see what the results were 
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Not in 37 degree (celcius) heat, noâŚ
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Oof, yeah true.
Which search engine do you use that protects your privacy? Thanks!
DuckDuckGo
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I also use DuckDuckGo
Yes, it does feel a bit rushed. They havenât worked out all the bugs. A recent update appears to have deleted some user-created dashboards. Also started pulling in running power in calculating cycling FTP. I admit, it was nice for a moment to think that the program thought my FTP was 341 
I have a robust machine so WKO4 wasnât exactly slow. WKO5 feels a bit faster, but not enough to upgrade for. Havenât seen any new functions or features yet that would benefit from upgrading, although I surmise webinars etc in the near future will start covering that. Think the trial period should have been longer - 30 days is now considered pretty standard for most apps in this space, and 14 days with a buggy initial version is just bad form.
With WKO4 now kicked to the curb, buying now and getting used to it right away is probably better for the long run tho.
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bbarrera - Late in the year, TP Premium is available for $89 a year. The only reason Iâve been a TP Premium customer is because of the calendar functionality, which is brilliant. You can cut/drag/drop workouts. Cut/Paste entire week(s) of workouts. Itâs incredibly flexible. If you want to push the plan back etc. because you got sick or work interfered, select the date(s) affected while holding the shift key - not the workouts, the dates - and then click âshiftâ.
I very much hope TrainerRoadâs calendar makes TP Premium obsolete, but itâs not quite there yet, and Iâve found TP Premium to be really easy to use.
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thanks, I see it now but canât use those features with my basic/free account.
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Downloaded the trial, and agree with most, definitely a bit of a learning curve to the software.
Being a data guy I really like all of the information but will take a bit of time to figure out a workflow.
One question, does the estimated vo2 include both bike and run power? It currently lists my vo2 as 91 which Iâd argue is slightly inflated.
Similarly, is the suggested type of rider impacted by running power data?
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Thanks for calling this out, I lose interest in any product that uses FB as a medium to engage customers.
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91 
My reaction exactly.
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Iâm no runner to have such data. I did read something about doing some max efforts on WKOâs website to get decent model data, which I kinda done through racing lately. 5 sec, 1 min, 5 min, and 30 min. Tried those?
âSlightlyâ 
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yep, just slightly lol.
Iâve raced a handful of crits this summer but mostly following TRâs Base/Build plans as of late.