Updates on how AI FTP Detection is triggered!

This is the best news I have heard all day.

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Also looping in @giventotri, @AgingCannon, @DO-IT-ALL, and @firemunki here to clarify.

When you reach the top of your Progression(s) outside of the Specialty phase, you will be able to use AI FTP Detection again. The 2% FTP Adjustment increase happens when you are in the Specialty phase and reach the top of your Progression.

Both of these changes prevent you from “running out of room” at the top of your Progression. In the Specialty phase, we favor the 2% FTP Adjustment to keep your training specific to your goals.

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Thanks for all the updates @ming ! It’s good to know you’re all listening!

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Thanks for the update. I did not accept the change, so no harm here :slight_smile:

Confetti needs an on/off switch in my opinion. It slows down the process for me getting off the trainer and would rather it just jumped straight to the PL and adaptations (as is currently the case).

Obviously you can’t please everyone. A switch, if easy to implement, would appease those who have an actual preference (rather than indifference).

Consider it a useful spam-reshare, this is the first time I’ve seen it and it’s great. Maybe I missed it, but this kind of guidance when I rate my workouts would be good.

I find I rate my endurance rides as moderate and my threshold/VO2 workouts as hard, unless I feel like I’m having an off day, in which case I’ll rate one higher. The only exception is if I bail completely, in which case it’s a fail.

This will help me rate with a bit more nuance rather than my almost binary approach I’m using atm.

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For VO2/anaerobic workouts I often feel like I’m between 2 and 3. Unless your FTP is set wrong longer VO2 (120-130%) intervals will never feel comfortable. A “normal feeling” for a VO2 workout should be hard to very hard imho and not somewhat comfortable. You can feel uncomfortable and still know that you’ll finish the workout. Sometimes I bump VO2 workouts up to 105 or 107% difficulty and It’s obviously very hard, I know I will complete but still look forward to the workout ending (I mean, I look forward to every indoor ride ending tbh…). I appreciate the chart but for me it only confuses me more :smiley:

I think rating by outcome is what I’d prefer. For example if you rate it a 2 the next VO2 will be 1-2 levels higher. If you rate it a 3 0.5-1 level higher. If you rate it a 4 it should decrease the difficulty level by 0.5 or remain. Rate it 5 and the level drops 1-2 depending on what level you are. Lower levels see more increase/less decrese and higher levels see less increase and more decrease for failed workouts/barely completed workouts. I don’t know if that makes more sense but I often struggle to really gauge VO2 efforts. I’m on a POL plan currently so can’t really speak for other workouts. This is just how I feel about VO2.

Outside rides are even more complex to rate as the perceived effort feels substantially lower than indoors. YMMV of course.

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For me, the key to that chart is the underlined row. Could I have done the workout again? Only done an additional full set? Or just one more interval?

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VERY broadly speaking, for a workout that falls into the “Productive” difficulty level, I tend to see the following:

  • 2 - Moderate = That was no big deal, I am ready for more than a “normal” step up in progression. Give me a larger adaptation than the typical +/-0.5 step (at least within my training history).

  • 3 - Hard = That was a good workout and felt “just right” in the fact that it was “hard enough”. Give me the “normal” progression bump of +/-0.5 step.

  • 4 - Very Hard = That was possible, but took more from me than I’d want for a “good/hard” workout. Limit any increase or even stall with no Progression Level increase on pending workout(s), because I need another shot at this challenging level.

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Quick question: I am in a speciality phase. I have kept the same FTP since Jan and enjoyed seeing my PLs’ rise. I have rejected FTP updates that are a mere 3-4 watts. I understand why there is now no reset of FTP in speciality phase (so we work towards the harder longer/more suitable event intervals) but I would like to just see where AIFTP now says I am and then reject it, to keep the current FTP and PLs.

Is there a way to do this please? Thanks

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Once you’ve reached the time limit (30 days? I can’t remember) it becomes available on your “Account” page. I’m doing the same as you (but simply because I’m too lazy to go update my FTP in multiple apps) and just checked mine yesterday.

That’s what I thought - except I last saw an AIFTP on 6th March, and have entered Speciality phase 3rd April, and through first 4 weeks now. Nothing on Accounts page. I have AIFTP detention enabled. Oh hum. Maybe its waiting for 4 weeks after the entry to the Speciality phase?

Maybe add a Ramp Test manually to your calendar and see if you get the AIFTPD option there?

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Yes I might try that, thanks @mcneese.chad.

Edit - you were correct. Went into workouts, choose Ramp test and before even adding it it offered me AIFTP, which I chose, it gave me a new number, and I then rejected it, keeping the old one.

Oddly the picture that came up suggested changes in PLs, so I will pass that to support.

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I’m surprised it let you do that since you’re in Specialty and Jon said that they won’t do updates during Specialty.

Sweet! Glad it works and thanks for confirming that we have the option. :smiley:

TR / AT won’t do it automatically per their setup, but I totally think allowing it is necessary and correct (for those that want it at least). There are reasons to deviate from TR at times, and this seems like one that may be individual to the user.

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I was wondering if it matters when I hit the Ai ftp detection button?
This next week is a recovery week and I was going to hit the button today.
I doubt my ftp could change that much in a week but I am curious when others hit the detection button.

Well performance usually goes up after resting enough. I’d assume the same recovery mechanics would apply when pushing the button. Do the recovery week. Then some opener workout to get the legs feeling good and push the button

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I would hit the button on the day when you would have done the FTP test, which is usually after a recovery week.

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