TrainingPeaks Virtual - [formerly, "Should TrainerRoad link up with IndieVelo"]

Haha I never tried clicking it. When I click it (on PC) I just get this:

just a pity it doesnt work on the Apple TV

It doesnt. You click on connect and it says Garmin is not accepting any new connections.

It syncs to Strava, intervals and TP. So if you have them linked to Garmin there might be a back door way to synch?

To be clear, TrainingPeaks do not already have that connection open. Garmin has made a commercial decision not to allow activities from third party devices / platforms to be accepted and considered for training load analysis. This is to force you in to their ecosystem. Use Hammerhead? No training load. Use wahoo? No training load. If they allowed TrainingPeaks activities, that would open it up to any device that can sync to TrainingPeaks, which is pretty much all of them.

Their official line is that they can’t ensure the integrity of the fit files and it could screw up the metrics, but that of course is BS. If you change the device to a Garmin one using fitfiletools, it works 100% of the time.

Garmin opened up the connection to Zwift and TrainerRoad, because these platforms were in no way competition, and did not add a benefit for competing devices. Based on this, it is possible that they could open up a sync directly from TPV (rather than from TP), but I wouldn’t hold my breath, and the issue is very much on the Garmin side not on the TPV one.

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Yes. . No activities in.
Only out to third parties.

Into Garmin
They allow in…

  • training (uncompleted workouts to do on your Garmin device)
  • courses

Out

  • completed activities
  • health stats

Nope. I’ve installed and uninstalled twice on both devices. :cry:

They stopped accepting inbound training platform applications many years ago, roughly a bit after the Tacx acquisition (as they half-heartedly want you to us the Tacx App). A number of other training platforms have requested access since.

The only one they’d accept these days, if requested, would be Peloton (since the benefit to Garmin far outweighs the handful of people that might be overlap). But doesn’t sound like Peloton is interested in that.

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Running on my iPad Pro and MacBook Air without a hitch…curious.

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Very weird. As a paying member, this sucks.

Have you contacted TPV support for help?

Do you think that’ll ever change? I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want Garmin Connect to be a social and fitness data hub the way Strava is today, I would have imagined that would drive more people into the Garmin ecosystem than locking them out.

I think they tried and realized it was almost impossible. The reality is that social media platforms thrive when they have the masses and it is exceedingly difficult to pull people away with a “me too” product.

So they have closed their system in an attempt to keep people locked within their ecosystem and drive future product sales.

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Yep. Standing by.

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Ever is a long time.

But I don’t think it’ll change till they give up on the Tacx Training App.

It sounds like at present it’s basically holding it’s own in terms of revenue and covering the costs and such. So, I guess they’re kinda like ‘shrug’, keep it.

That said, I think there’s a lost opportunity cost to increase integration with the FulGaz/Rouvy/etc of the world and drive better integration on Garmin training data/wearables. They make far more money selling a Fenix 8, than years of the Tacx app.

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My consumer response to walled garden purveyors is :fu: and vote with my wallet by directing my money elsewhere wherever practicable…

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Hope you get a satisfactory resolution!

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WKO is a part of TP, but felt like it was off in a silo with Tim’s team handling the software while TP customer service team helped with support requests. Speaking of TrainingPeaks and TPV - TP’s annual black friday deal is fast approaching. It’s usually like 25% off for a year sub. Make sure you have auto renew off so you can import the new code in 2025.

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Yes, I do that too. Already switched to Wahoo trainers and head units, which I prefer on their merits. I hate walled gardens and anticompetitive practices.

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Agree. I’m used to my garmin devices but I’m not a fan of their walled garden approach. It’d be nice to see Coros dura improve to the point where it’s more competitive with Garmin head units

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Just out of curiosity - which competitor platform, actually allows you to sync inbound training workouts into the manufacturer platform?

(Preemptive hint: None)

The closest you kinda sorta get is Suunto, but that falls apart instantly when you’re talking the very training platforms we’re talking about here (e.g. Zwift, Rouvy, etc…) - none of which sync to Suunto. COROS, Wahoo, etc… all effectively block that today as well (not that there’s really anything to inbound sync into Wahoo anyway).

Apple vaguely allows it via Apple Health, but only if the device pushes to Apple Health via your phone. And of course, there’s countless weird quirks on how they do/don’t allow data there.

My point here is as I always say: When you want to get a company’s attention to change something via threats, focus on the points where you can legitimately say a competitor has X feature, and you’re going to leave because of it. Else, the companies just ignore it (because they know you won’t actually move).

But saying Garmin has a walled Garmin and then moving to Wahoo is bizarre, because Wahoo is far more closed than Garmin is. Same goes for COROS. There’s valid to reasons to go from Garmin to COROS Dura (e.g. battery life), or to Wahoo (e.g. you dislike Garmin’s UI). But openness is very much not one of them.

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