What Garmin wants is far less obtrusive than what Strava requires, which is showing the “Powered by Strava” logo or “Compatible with Strava” logos and linking back to Strava sources for any data displayed on an app or website using the text “View on Strava”. This is mandatory to get approved to use the API in any production applications. Or, used to be, to be precise—it seems like they quietly changed the text on their API brand guidelines from:
All apps must display the “Powered by Strava” logo or “Compatible with Strava” logo on all websites, apps and any distributable media such as images, videos or prints. No variations or modifications are acceptable.
To:
All apps that choose to display the “Powered by Strava” logo or “Compatible with Strava” logo on any websites, apps and any distributable media such as images, videos or prints must comply with Strava’s brand guidelines.
And from:
You must link back to all original Strava data sources presented in your application using the following text format, “View on Strava”.
To:
If you choose to link back to any original Strava data sources presented in your application you must use the following text format, “View on Strava”.
You can see the previous version on the Wayback Machine. I wonder if they realized they’d look like hypocrites if they complained about Garmin attribution requirements while having more onerous requirements of their own.
Truth be told with the surveys they were sending out i was asking for exactly that. their metrics and especially their “AI” amongst other “features” are completely useless to me but being able to pay much less to see just segment information, not so much leader boards but my previous efforts on segments, would be something I’d be interested in. Hell, after canceling my premium upon the price increase I tried the free month recently and though it was good to see those previous runs it wasn’t worth all the other crap that comes with the membership let alone $80USD so I canceled again.
Which bring me to a question I’ve been meaning to ask ya’ll is how much of a pain would it be to make all sorts of segments on RWGPS? Or is there somewhere else aside from Garmin connect I could set up and/or ride segments to keep track of progress? I’m a premium member on that and was thinking maybe I’d make a bunch of segments for myself to track efforts on hills and such but part of the convenience of strava is that i can ride segments everybody else has already set up and there doesn’t seem to be a lot on RWGPS. Just curious as this is my main use case for strava. Well that and the coupons from challenges.
When Strava goes public we will see its immediate enshitification; more paywalls, more restrictions, more garbage. We need a Strava alternative. Going public will benefit its C-suite and absolutely nobody else.
Strava has to tread carefully. All the other places I send my data can now get it directly from Garmin Connect. That became possible after the Strava API changes last year., which incentivised them to cut the reliance on Strava as a source.
A trickle may turn into an exodus. I’ve already gone from sending every Garmin activity to Strava, to less than 1 in 7. That frequency may drop to only sending major events to Strava to share. I am also seeing similar patterns from other friends. We all know we are getting out exercising far more than Strava shows.
Do we have any way of knowing how many users are on Free accounts versus subscriptions? i think the threshold is very low for those users to exit the app. I wonder what percentage of their user base that is.
Are you certain Suunto are “only seeking damages”? In a case where there is ongoing infringement an injunction is often the primary relief sought and there may be little sense in seeking damages for past infringements without also stopping future infringements. I ask because I have just recently seen this article:
It is also worth keeping in mind that a licence agreement is often the commercial outcome of obtaining (or even just seeking) an injunction.
Strava is going to have to reveal this data if it is to go public. After all that is its source of income , putting aside VC, so investors are going to want to knows income vs.costs etc. before investing
“25. Plaintiff has suffered and continues to suffer damages, including lost profits, as a result of Defendant’s infringement of the ’241 Patent. Defendant is therefore liable to Plaintiff under 35 U.S.C. § 284 for damages in an amount that adequately compensates Plaintiff for Defendant’s infringement, but no less than a reasonable royalty.”
I created segments on Garmin and use that to track personal performances. You can make it public or private if comparison is not for you. The only issue is it doesn’t look at past past rides unless you manually click a button to look for segments on a specific ride you did.
Thank you for the link. It’s tricky stuff this but I think the relevant bit may be the section headed “Prayer for Relief” which begins on page 55. The request for an injunction appears in paragraph (b) followed by a claim for damages in paragraph (c). Also, as I believe is standard procedure the request for an injunction includes a request for a “preliminary“ injunction ie that Garmin is prevented from continuing the alleged infringement pending trial.
In the last couple weeks since disconnecting Strava I’ve made, or favourited, Garmin segments that I have previously focused on in Strava. Never (well rarely) got the KOM do no loss but I do like to see progress over the years.
I will suffer through the Garmin departure only long enough to get 100,000km logged on Strava (should be done in a month or so). After that, I’ll stay if the suit gets resolved and Garmin works as usual with Strava. If for some reason Garmin upload is removed, I’ll cancel my premium Strava subscription and will just do without Strava.
Looks like Strava realized which way the wind was blowing. Overwhelming sentiment was “Gee, I’ll miss the social bits of Strava, but Garmin is where the data is.”
