It looks like Nitto 5000 is not available in amazon.com
Maybe from alibaba.com you can get some.
I myself have used twice so far with pins (just in case).
It worked good but not sure if it depends on factors such as jersey fabric or temperature or some others.
The funny part of this product is the most of reviews on amazon.co.jp are from cyclists…!
I will try mixing collagen powder with orange juice an hour before each workout. Seems like it would be an easy way to combine the two.
That’s a good idea. I’ll probably try this as well.
@chad you mentioned a podcast with John Wakefield on from Bahrain McLaren that you recently listened to, can you share some info or a link?
Re: Collagen powder vs pills…
I was also wondering this. My wife bought some collagen pills and they seem pretty good.
The brand is “Youtheory.” it claims to contain type 1, 2, and 3 collagen. 1 tablet has 1,000mg of hydrolyzed collagen AND 10mg of Vitamin C. The only other ingredient is “magnesium stearate (vegetable source)”. This seems to check all the boxes that Coach Chad talked about in the podcast.
I’m going to start taking two of these before my workouts as also discussed in the podcast.
It was actually an interview with David Bailey of, at the time, Bahrain Merida. The NBT podcast is usually hosted by Chris Kelly, but Simon Marshall (coauthor of ‘The Brave Athlete’) was hosting this time around, double-win.
I can only assume he’s still on board with Bahrain McLaren in the same role; but regardless, the insights are fantastic and he’s incredibly well spoken and interesting (same goes for Simon Marshall - there are 4 links to his other NBT appearances at the top of these show notes that are completely worth the time).
What about drinking bone broth instead of taking a specific collagen supplement? Are the grams of protein listed on the bone broth info (if commercial) just all collagen? I suppose you’re against homemade bone broth because it’s not going to be consistent from batch to batch? Or is it just easier to take a small supplement than a 6oz (or whatever) cup of broth?
Though if it is homemade, no worries about hidden supplements! My thoughts during all the talk was “I wonder if I can consume that much bone broth?” since we make our own (all from known animal sources).
@chad I’ve tried looking for the collagen peptides in the UK but Great Lakes etc don’t deliver to UK. Can you recommend a product or should I just focus on finding something with hydolysed on the label?
I’d like to try but I’m just concerned that I’ll get the wrong kind, or at least not get the most benefit (which reminds me to have a look for vitamin C as well)
Thanks very much
The first result on Amazon says collagen peptide, and great lakes is also on there (about 8 results down for me)
Would orange juice an hour before produce an insulin spike not in favor of the training 
?
Is there any research on the efficacy of vegan collagen “boosters” or whatever marketing term they have come up with? Would love to know if this has been looked at.
Waiting for the next big discount to pull the trigger on my whey, and now collagen…
I’ve another question for @chad on this. Despite knowing the science isn’t really there to support health benefits as supplement, I normally have a vitamin c effervescent tablet in the morning on my drive into training/ work. So I guess starting the bottle 40 minutes, finished by 30 minutes before my workout.
So two things…
I tried listening to the sigma nutrition podcast twice now, but keep falling asleep (as bed time has been my window)!
Hey @Macy,
Based on what I learned, I’d say yes, almost for sure.
Again, sounds about right, based on Dr. Barr’s findings. I can’t imagine why you’d have to sit around for an hour before starting your workout, but I don’t know for sure.
Haha, the SN podcast is often the deepest end of the deep-dive pool. Lots of good learnings to be had though!
I mixed collagen powder (10g protein) in warm water and added 1/2 serving of OJ. At the same time, I had my standard pre workout meal - cream of rice and protein powder - 70% carbs, 31% protein and 2% fat.
It seems balanced. This is at 3:30 or 4:30 a.m., so I’m adding espresso to the meal. We’ve heard that vitimans can’t be absorbed when mixed with caffeine, so I’m not sure how I’d get the Vitamin C needed for absorption if I leave out the OJ.
Regarding collagen timing, if I’m riding hard in the morning and lifting in the afternoon on a given day, would you think it’s best to take my collagen before the ride or the weight session? Thinking weights given it’s more impact on the joints… I’m sure it doesn’t matter much but I’m curious.
The study they talk about had the subjects take gelatin three times a day so you could do it before both. It also seems that you can target a joint/tendon/ligament by using it about 1 hour after ingestion. If you want to pick one over the other it comes down to what are you trying to target and does cycling or lifting put your body through that motion. As far as I am aware none of the studies Chad talked about addressed if the intensity of the exercise had an impact on collagen synthesis.
All that makes a lot of sense, thanks. Currently targeting general joint health for uninterrupted training, so I’ll just stick with my morning routine. But once I start lifting heavily I might add it in to the afternoon as well.
Hopefully chad will chime in but I’ve just ordered this to try…
Seems to tick the boxes
Never used “bulk powders” before but they do run some of their stuff past informed sport BULK POWDERS™ and INFORMED SPORT | The Core™ don’t know if the collagen is approved though.
Is it “Sports Research Collagen”? Not finding a “Science Research” brand.