+1 for the (women specific) pre and during ride Osmo hydration - developed by Stacey Simms (who wrote in Roar, that men and women have different hydration needs), before moving to Nuun (where interestingly there isn’t a specific male / female offering).
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Nothing. You should probably avoid all of them.
https://ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/STROKEAHA.119.024456
That’s probably the most compelling compilation I have seen.
[citation needed]
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Look above. I provided a citation.
However, since it was lost in the frenzy of posting earlier I’ll provide it again.
Why? Because everything artificial is somehow automatically worse? Blanket statements like this usually lack any substance or reasoning. I’m sorry but one or even a handful of articles/studies aren’t definitive.
I’m not sure this study is saying what you think it is saying, here’s a quote directly from your link:
Essentially - they found correlation but not causation and thus the studies don’t really prove anything
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But what remains unclear is the causal nature of these associations. Adults who frequently consume ASB may be heterogeneous: some spent their early adult years consuming SSB daily and only switched to ASB in an obese, prediabetic state, whereas others consumed ASB for decades as part of an overall healthy nutrient-dense diet, and still others rarely consumed SSB and only incorporated ASB into their diet later in life to reduce calorie consumption and lose weight.
These sensitivity analyses cannot entirely exclude the possibility of reverse causality, however, because they did not exclude all participants with prediabetes, overweight and obesity, or the metabolic syndrome.
Perhaps most interesting were the analyses stratified by body mass index category. Heavy ASB consumption was associated with an increased incidence of stroke only among the obese, with no association evident among those of normal body mass index or overweight. In contrast, all-cause mortality was increased among frequent ASB consumers who were normal weight or overweight but not definitely among those who were obese. The trends for stroke could be interpreted as supporting the hypothesis that reverse causality explains much of the increased risk for frequent ASB consumers because it was not observed when the population was limited to those with normal body mass index. Alternatively, it can also be interpreted to support the possibility that ASB consumption leads to weight gain as a mediating (causal) pathway. In the absence of data on trajectories of SSB and ASB consumption over time and corresponding weight changes, these possible explanations remain hypotheses for further exploration.
Doesn’t seem to be much of an indication of anything.
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Not that this proves that it’s not bad for you, but the other studies don’t really prove that it IS bad for you either…
I actually completely understand that.
My replies are relatively limited because I’m on mobile and trying to wrangle a two year old.
Direct causation has not been proven as there are so many confounding factors. However, That discussion does go on to acknowledge the strength of some control for confounders in at least one of the studies which strengthens the correlation of artificial sweetener use and the outcomes reviewed.
Simply, true- there has never been an RCT that shows causation. However, also true, there is more and more compelling data that suggests perhaps artificial sweeteners are not as good for us as we once thought.
Simply saying that there is no data, etc etc as most of you have said above, is also untrue.
If you want to deny that… fine. However, I also ask you to provide the longitudinal data that proves they are safe as you think.
Here’s the first link that came up when I googled a meta study of artificial sweeteners
Their conclusion:
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Proving that something doesn’t exist is many orders of magnitude harder. Given the volume of studies done, finding no evidence to support your claims is pretty indicative that your claims are very likely false.
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Eat what you want.
I assumed that a population of people who wanted to maximize their human performance potential would not want to have artificial sweeteners or additives in their bodies that didn’t provably increase performance.
Maybe my assumption was wrong and we want to argue the validity of longitudinal studies and literature analyses.
Nobody is telling any of you what to eat and yet this is turning into some sort of defense of the food additives industry. If you work for a sport supplement company and are commenting on this thread, you might do the community a favor and reveal that fact.
My point was to tell suggest we all read labels better. Thats it. Its still a free country (as of 8am this morning) so eat what you like, train with what you like.
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That did not address vascular health outcomes in adults outside of blood pressure, specifically stroke.
There actually is pretty strong consensus that it has been disproved. You can read a summary of the critiques here, on Harvard’s website
The relevant quote would be here
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Actually it does - if you read the study details they looked at all health outcomes - including vascular health - and only found slight correlation on a few specific items, which they detailed in the study
STILL Tastes like crap anyway, it is for performance so that doesn’t bother me, taste is right down the list in importance. I use SiS products (and others, High5) but I’m moving away from them, use home made or natural alternatives (real foods where I can make then work.) That is what I’m moving too.
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You’re implying a causation again.
Your assumption is based on unfounded assumptions, making it largely useless.
Calling out someone crying wolf isn’t a ‘defense’. It’s just calling out someone crying wolf.
Nice ad hominem.
No your point was that aspartame is something we should be scared of. And I quote:
Which you have been unable to substantiate.
You’re attacking a well respected company who’s product many people use and enjoy. Expecting that to be accepted at face value is naive.
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MOD HAT ON:
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Get this discussion on topic, please.
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Please follow the forum guidelines, and this section in particular:
I take no joy in having to sift through threads like this with the subtle and not-so-subtle negative comments.
Clean it up yourself, so I and others don’t have to do it.
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Respected? Established, with a massive marketing budget. Naive is a word that springs to mind.
It’s a tin foil hat. An it’s shaped like pirate hat. Thank you.
I’m just saying, the defense of aspartame is oddly unexpected.
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