Progression levels not respecting real effort

Thanks for the link, i always thought the 100% button was for the size of text :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the tip. Actually i almost always choose an alternate, instead of riding differently than prescribed. This one did different tough.

Right, I understand, and hopefully some day it recognizes that, but if you want AT to up your levels quickly, the workaround is to not mark it Hard. Once you think about it that way, the problem goes away in the future.

I’ll give you another example. I know I can do Endurance 6.0 workouts, but AT wants to give me 4.0, then 4.3, then 4.5, then 4.7…etc until I get to 6.0 because I keep marking them “hard”…or, I just pick a 6.0 and mark it “easy”, and then it will leap way up for the next ride.

I know we all want a “real” fix, but the workaround works if you don’t want to wait.

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Pretty sure they have mentioned this on the podcast.

Right now the level algorithm is different for workouts vs unstructured rides, but that is silly and they are working on one algorithm that will work for both.

When they do then you should get your “extra credit” for making the workout harder.

That doesn’t sound quite right. Surely it shouldn’t make any difference whether you do the session in erg or resistance mode. Provided you are working at the wattage required, and you’re consistent with your RPE answers.
I’m consistently slightly underestimating the RPE, eg. Kabati I answered “moderate” when maybe I should have answered “hard”, seeing as it was over 2 hours long, and a mental challenge .
I’ve only ever answered "very Hard " once, Spencer-5 which I had to reduce the intensity, back pedal etc, just to complete it.
I must admit ,I don’t feel comfortable with RPE. It seems a bit vague to me.

Correct, the trainer mode itself is not a factor. The only one that matters is how closely you followed the power targets.

As to survey responses, my guide can help some users make a better selection. I made it based upon info shared by Ivy.

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The way i understand, it does not matter that much how you mark it. As long you finish it, progression levels will increase to that workout’s level. And AT will suggest you workouts with that new level.

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If AT is not recognising your not doing the recoveries, could you choose another workout similar like Eichorn which has no rest in each 20 minute interval?

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Yes, of course i can. That’s what i will be doing in the future.

In resistance mode you can exceed the target but in ERG mode you can’t significantly and just spin out (well you do on my trainer). When I went significantly over target before the survey was even completed the system gave me adaptations. I forget who confirmed it, it might have TR support, but they confirmed that the performance against the target also identified adaptations and not just the survey.

I’m almost positive this is incorrect. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.

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It was @SeanHurley Riding above the planned power with adaptive training - #5 by SeanHurley

I agree - if I was csan i would have coded the workout easy or moderate - since it was “easier” to achieve the workout without the prescribed breaks

AT would then make future workouts harder

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Agreed.
Hard, AT keeps workout levels slowly progressing.
Very Hard, AT thinks about reining them in a bit.

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This is the way to go. Currently AT will not give you extra credit for anything over and above the plan workout.

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@SeanHurley of TR support indicates it can Riding above the planned power with adaptive training - #5 by SeanHurley

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I meant it won’t increase your career PL any further than the PL from the completed workout.

Sounds from Sean’s post that it will give you bigger adaptstions for your future workouts though, which is good!

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Regarding survey responses during SSBHV 1 & 2 so far this is what I’ve noticed. If I mark a SS workout “Moderate” or “Hard” future workouts adjust accordingly to my current SS progression level and ramp rate. Basically I’m doing what AT expects. If I mark a SS workout “Easy”, my future workouts adapt significantly and jump to 1.0+ in workout level progression difficulty. Conversely, if I mark a SS workout as “Very Hard”, my future SS workouts get easier than the previously scheduled ramp rate.

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This is what I was trying to tell him too. I hope he’s seeing these, because it would solve his problem.

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Generally if you should perform a workout as intended and answer the post workout survey as accurately (and consistently) as you can. AT isn’t just about improving, it’s about improving whilst preventing burn out so don’t just look at a workout in isolation, there’s workouts two, three months down the line to deal with so there’s no point in beasting yourself all the time. TR have mentioned that they see improved compliance and completion of workouts using AT, not sure what the actual change is, hitting all your workouts is better than overreaching on some and skipping others.

Do the workout as prescribed, say it’s “easy” or “moderate”, AT should pick up on this and offer adaptations to push you.

I did Brian Head today, marked it hard according to Chad’s chart above. I got one adaptation where AT reined in a threshold workout about three weeks ahead. It might change again, it might not.

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