Podcast posts (back to regular schedule with these :) )

Hey all,

I’ve fallen off the wagon with posting when we publish a podcast, and I want to get back in that habit.

First, we had an awesome episode with Hannah Otto (wish her luck at Sea Otter for tomorrow’s first round of the Lifetime Grand Prix!) where we talked about heat training and how anecdotal evidence seems to be shifting away from scientific suggestion, or at least the trends that stemmed from it over the last 5 years. In other words, they all seem to be doing less of it. Would be curious to hear if that’s similar with all of y’all here on the forum.

Then we had Dr. Pfaffenbach back on to discuss the scientific nuances of carbohydrate metabolism for athletes, and discussions on the limits that exist. We had Matteo Jorgenson mention 160g/hr on the podcast, and from what it sounds like, some top triathletes are doing even more than that on the bike, but due to it being so individual and hard to practically test in a scientific environment, we don’t know if that is past a point of diminishing returns. Super interesting convo with Kyle, as always!

And today’s episode was with Alex Larson from Alex Larson Nutrition and we discussed a lot of practical approaches to nutrition, but focused a lot of the discussion on the very heated debate that is currently in the zeitgeist on the purported benefits and risks of organic vs. non-organic foods. I learned a lot in researching for this episode, and it has changed my perspective on organic food. As is the case with many things regarding the human body and nutrition, turns out it’s really difficult to prove non-organic foods are worse than organic in outcome-focused studies with human randomized control trials. That said, it seems pretty hard if not impossible to argue it is somehow worse for your health than non-organic. But whether it’s worth the cost is an entirely different matter.

Was great to have Alex on again!

Let me know if there are any topics you’d like us to cover. We’ll be having some exciting special guests lined up in the coming months, so I’m eager to share those episodes with you :slight_smile:


Hi @Jonathan. I would be interested in learning how to integrate a ‘training camp’ into a normal TR custom program. For example I am following a MV rolling road race plan with an A event towards the end of the year. Rather than trying to stay on plan for 8 months, how could I set up my calendar to work in a ‘training camp’ just prior to starting the program real working towards the event. Training camps have been mentioned on the podcast before, but I don’t recall, it ever been spoken about at length.

To be clear - I am speaking more about a one to maybe two week increase in volume, TSS etc, rather than going to somewhere to train. How to insert it and recover from it to get the best outcomes in terms of performance.

thanks in advance


On the subject of nutrition and fueling for performance, I think @Dr_Alex_Harrison is an authority and an advocate whose voice needs to be a guest on the podcast . His work as a coach and with the physiology and results of fueling strategies, plus everything he’s done to make the Saturday app – which, by the way, has dramatically changed my performance for TrainerRoad workouts and for long races – really make him someone the TR subscriber base needs to hear from.


Plan it as a stage race in your training plan and move the Training Approach Slider in your account to Aggressive for that week.


Love the pod and no fault to TR, but looks like the advice regarding fruits and veggies and whether to buy organic is already out of date. New findings just released by consumer reports highlighting pesticides especially in bell peppers, blueberries and potatoes that can’t be washed off. Buy those organic. Also “ The data Consumer Reports collected showed that pesticide-related risk was much lower in organic food than in non-organic food.” So buy organic if possible.

Full summary here: Why pesticides in produce study from Consumer Reports raises alarms


I’ve always taken the “if you eat the skin, buy organic” approach.


Thanks for the link! I’ll look into it.

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To be fair, you did say new findings were coming out all the time, but I bet you didn’t expect it to be the day after the pod was released!

There was a comment made about not drinking raw non-pasteurized dairy. That it’s as good as a death sentence. This baffles me because I grew up on a dairy farm in Poland in the 90s. Non-pasteurized milk is all I drank during my childhood. Sometimes straight from the cow while it was still warm. I have never gotten sick from the milk nor has anyone I know. I also remember hearing that pasteurizing dairy kills most of the healthy probiotics and micro-organisms in it. That’s why modern dairy has far less nutritional value and health benefits to it.

Now I live in Canada where non-pasteurized dairy is illegal to sell. There is a noticeable difference in the quality and taste of the milk. Not for the better. So back to the “death sentence” comment. What am I missing? Are American cows toxic that’s why the dairy has to be pasteurized?


I’d suggest that people listen to the full context of that section since this brief summary is misleading IMO.


Yes. Everybody should listen to the section for full context. It starts at ~19:00 into the podcast. In what way is my post misleading? Please elaborate.

I quoted a very specific part of your entire post for my own comment. That part (hence the quote) seems a rather narrow snippet that is inflammatory and doesn’t capture the broader context.


Separate note, but it may be preferred by TR to move this under the “official” TR podcast topic since they are starting to make those again per Jonathan yesterday. That post is covering 3 recent podcasts, so this separate one may still make sense, but there is already some expanding discussion there along with the overall question by Jonathan.


Thanks forum police. To me it seems like you’re looking for a problem where there isn’t one. What’s inflammatory? I was asking a genuine question.

Quote from Alex “Please don’t drink raw milk. Don’t hate at me in the comments but it’s like playing Russian roulette with your life. Unless you live on that farm and you are used to all of those germs but even a lot of the dairy farmers I’ve talked with they don’t even drink their own raw milk most of the time. All lot them they say they just go to the store and buy it.”

That is verbatim what was said. So what is your problem with me posting the question? People like you policing the forum just looking for problems make it unpleasant.

Why don’t you add context or your opinion of you disagree with what I posted. Don’t accuse people of misleading or inflammatory comments for no reason.


Nothing on the question itself. Again, it was the singular comment that is well short of the segment you just added that I feel offers proper context. I offered an opinion and recommendation that people consider the full comment.

I’m sorry you feel that way. If you have a problem with my posts, you can use the flag feature or contact TR reps as you see fit.


I mean his is literally the only one here with a deputy badge…


Question for you though, if you understand that Canada (and many other countries including those in the EU, and most states in the US in some capacity) has made it illegal. Why is your issue with a single comment on a podcast? Or are you asking in general why this isn’t a thing? That is pretty easy stuff to look up.

Even google says Poland has some restrictions on the sale of unpasteurized milk.

  • While that is true, my post above as NOT in the form of moderator action. In the very rare cases I do take on “Moderation” these days, I make that very clear at the opening of the comment.

  • All other posts without that verbiage are mine and not forum related. So, the above was my own thought and comment with no forum moderation intended.


I didn’t take it as moderation was just amused.

A quick Google search brings up…

Raw or unpasteurized milk, which has become increasingly accessible in the United States over the last decade, already puts people at a higher risk from harmful germs. “Now there’s a whole new level of concern,” said Darin Detwiler, a food safety expert and professor at Northeastern University’s College of Professional Studies. “I don’t think that one can make an argument that we shouldn’t be concerned about drinking raw milk in this era.”

Your citation of your youth in Poland is an anecdote vs. a whole lot of scientific data that conclusively indicates that drinking raw milk is a potential risk to your health.

IMO, this topic has always been closely related to the anti-vax discussion…those advocating for raw milk (or against vaccines) rely on anecdotes and exaggerations vs. actual data.