“Hell Hath No Fury”
IMHO, absolutely an epic video and even better workout. The clips, the music, the commentary – it all works together perfectly.
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My favourites were Nine Hammers that had a great video showing some great mountain descents
And ‘there is no try’ which featured Wiggins winning the TdF, a few stages and his time trial.
Makes me miss them even now.
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Yup, it’s a strange phenomenon…
I think the vowel-less branding makes it easy for them to trademark a ‘word’ nobody else cares about, not to mention getting web domains that haven’t been taken as of yet.
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It is mostly a general trend across any number of consumer products these days….the next iteration of when everyone added an “X” at the end of their products.
It is inevitable
Just have to ask yourself if you want to take the red pill (TR) or the blue pill (Wahoo) ha ha - I can’t remember which keeps you in the matrix…
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If anything, I think the growing market for indoor training makes it more likely for smaller, lower budget companies catering to a more specific audience to be successful on some level- kind of like how you might find more special interest shops in a big city.
It’s not a direction I would expect wahoo to take, but I’m interested to see if other services take something from sufferfest going forward.
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Do not think that at the current market saturation any other companies have any chance to participate in this pie - not on a decent level. As a user you can choose from at least 6 companies that provide you the same value. Market can be growing but I think that only current companies will take new clients. Yes there will be more “want to be a new netflix” projects but they do not have any chance to be anything other than niche service. And you need quite big user base to be sustainable.
Market is pretty saturated and there have to be pretty unique VP to attract new users. Even the really good projects, like RGT do not have enough traction and they have done everything good and offer a way better product than the Zwift.
The market will grow and big boys will grow more. And in the end whole cycling training business is truly nothing in comparision to something like Peloton that is aiming “normal” user 
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Tried one of their recovery rides yesterday… forgot just how bad their buffering issues could be if you didn’t download the vid in advance (definitely not a bandwidth issue, am on gigabit FTTP).
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Interesting, I wrote off the other comments talking about buffering because I’m on 900mbps FTTP so assumed it’d be irrelevant to me.
Having said that, I’ve been using it almost daily for 2 weeks (since I got my new Turbo which came with a 60 day sub) and haven’t had a stutter yet 
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Totally agree, I find it kinda interesting that TrainerDay have put into beta a plan builer which builds a plan that you can specify loads of parameters (which days are longs days, number of days, what type of plan, progression rate e.t.c) a really interesting piece of work, Join launch adaptive training … and where are these two in the press ??? no mention, TR announce AT and Wahoo rebrand and it’s all over cycling web sites, apparently DC Rainmaker (according to the TrainerDay website owner) is only interested in the top 5 software products, which means that if TR launched with all the features that it has today (which is a mountain of develpment), it would not be mentioned on the likes of DC Rainmaker, that makes it nearly impossible for a new company to make much impact into the market, let alone bring a product to marker that can steal away from TR / Zwift
(Edit to remove the word cartel, as that was a mistake, and distracting from the point I was trying to make, and added nothing to this post)
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I don’t think that’s true - I was looking at training SW for my wife and DC Rainmaker’s last roundup of them had around a dozen - Cycling Trainer App In-Depth Guide: 2020 Edition just looked again and there’s this list:
– Bkool
– FulGaz
– Kinomap
– Peloton Digital App (sans-Peloton Bike)
– RGT (Road Grand Tours)
– Rouvy
– The Sufferfest
– Tacx Training App
– TrainerRoad
– Xert
– Zwift
There’s also the comment:
This time though, I’m simplifying it a bit. Last time I covered some 20 different apps. While many of those apps do still exist and are now more mature, I’m going to focus this round-up on what I believe to be the Top 11 indoor trainer apps. With that metric largely being driven by the userbase, and how often I actually hear people talk about it. As much as every company wants to tell me their app is most important, I tend to find if nobody is talking about it…then nobody is actually using it.
So there is a Catch-22 situation but it’s a long way from being a cartel.
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I was suprised at this as well, but as I was asked, where are TrainerDay or Join in this 18 month old article ? And were are the “news” articles on the DC Rainmaker web site about any product not in the Top 5 ? or any other cycling related web site
But I think you missed the point of the post, it wasn’t to question DC Rainmaker, it was to point out how hard it is for a new company, regardless of how good there product is, to break into this market
Which
“I was suprised at this as well, but as I was asked, where are TrainerDay or Join in this 18 month old article ? And were are the “news” articles on the DC Rainmaker web site about any product not in the Top 5 ? or any other cycling related web site”
Is as good a question
I agree, but the whole “powerful get more powerful” part of it is true, TR and Wahoo got some free advertising because they are top 5, others don’t
While some (cough)GCN(/cough) are definitely aligned with certain products I don’t think DCR is one of them.
I suppose something’s more newsworthy (i.e. sells more copy/clicks) if it comes from a main player than a minor one. How many times do you see anything about Xert for example? So unless you’ve a product that is significantly “different” it’s unlikely to get past the sub-editor’s desk.
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From the news perspective it is simple PR power. I am not surprised about DC as he has a lot of topics to cover in terms of devices so getting news about every possible software, especially if it used by 1000 people is missing the point of his channel.
But this situation is no different than any other part of the market. The bigger players will always have more PR force to establish their position even more. The market is far from cartel and it is still very fragmented and I suppose more consolidations will come or smaller players will end their life in a natural way.
Yeah, I really wish I hadn’t said that … just wanted to point out that “it’s freckin hard for companies to break in”, not discuss if it was a cartel or not (which it isn’t)
(I have edit my OP as cartel was a mistake, added nothing to the post and was distacting)
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I couldn’t disagree more I think. AT feels like a hack over the fact that single ramp based FTP test doesn’t qualify the endurance and VO2max portions of the power envelope well (let alone sprint power), so those are too easy/hard for some people. Measuring them directly (4DP) is better than getting it wrong and then trying to adapt as the user fails workouts. I’d go as far as to say I wish TR would just admit their mistake here, ditch AT and do what everyone else is doing (cfr. iLevels). But then they couldn’t advertise it uses “machine learning” eh.
I’ve given Sufferfest another go as I had too many issues with AT, especially in triathlon plans (hey, there’s another area where TR is lacking…). The videos are still a ton of fun and IMHO allow me to push harder than in a comparable TR session.
But the limitations are, just like 1.5 year ago, still so weird. No option to calibrate in the app. It’s a Wahoo app with a Wahoo trainer, and it can’t calibrate it. Zwift can. TR can.
No PowerMatch. “Trainers are accurate enough”. I’ve got a SNAP. Made by Wahoo. Let me tell you: it isn’t, and in a race I need the power from my power meter. So ERG mode is out.
I’m a bit baffled they think they can compete by offering less features.
That said, if resistance mode works decently, I do plan to use up my extended trial and let my TR subscription expire for now. The Sufferfest was fun, and is fun, and if they’d fix their software issues I’d take it over TR. But they seem to have chosen not to do that. It baffles my mind.
Damn, even Zwift has decent power matching.
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