@Dark-Passenger, as of right now a workaround is to not view it/accept it and wait until the date you would like to accept it so it falls where you want it. Once accepted it falls in the next 28th day. Hope that makes sense!
Is this where we’re putting feedback? I’m sure this has been requested elsewhere, but can we please get:
- Collapsible caret menus for predicted RPE. If I see a workout is predicted to be hard at 50% likelihood, you better believe that’s what I’m marking it. This seems like an unnecessary nudge and will keep users from entering actual RPE. Unless this is the desired behavior?
- Collapsible caret menu for predicted FTP. If it goes down in 28 days, then so be it. It’s really deflating though to look at 4 weeks of hard work to see, welp you’re not actually getting stronger. Would love to be able to hide these things.
Otherwise, update has been fun and thanks for all the hard work on this.
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You can disable FTP prediction. Click on it, edit button, there’s a toggle.
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Thanks for clarifying your thoughts!
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I don’t want to disable it. I want more control over when and how I see it.
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You can turn of showing the AiFTP prediction already. Go the prediction in your calendar, click on it, look for the edit button in the lower left corner and turn it off. The system still does its thing it in background.
I think this is tricky. Where you say “surely more focus on…” or some other assumption, that’s based on your experience or scientific literature, which are both pretty scarce.
This isn’t for everyone, but for me, the reason I use TR (or the hope) is that it actually uncovers trends/insights in my data and similar cohort of users and gives me a plan that’s best, regardless of whether it satisfies convention.
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Disabling when you don’t want it visible (using the method @Savov7 described), and then re-enabling it when you do want it visible, is functionally equivalent to the feature you’re requesting (control over when you see it), albeit with a couple more clicks. I think that’s the best you’re going to get from TR on this for now.
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I hear you and agree that the data can and should be used to challenge traditional thinking. To be clear i was merely communicating how i understand TR hass structured the plan framework.
I would however highlight that if we are talking about an anaerobic workout of multiple sprints vs a sustained power of say 2x20 minutes workouts this boils down to questioning the principle of “specificity”. This is a bedrock of sports science, with a mountain of credible history and science.
Of course specificity does not mean exclusivity, and specificity also matters more as the event is closer so i’m certainly with you there may be some room for it to be plausible that some less traditional and constrained version of workout categorization is more optimal.
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Please, Please, Please put the old system back. I have been a faithful user almost since the beginning and this new iteration is just unbelievably bad. Please step back and look at what it’s doing. It is taking perfectly good training regimens and turning them into Zone 2 workouts (*makes hard workouts easy and easy workouts harder). For example, I did a TR scheduled over/under workout (to completion with proper effort) which by design should be hard. But what did your AI system do, change all my TR scheduled over/under efforts to about 1/3 of the original IF/TSS. Why? Who knows. I had to turn the whole thing off because there is no middle ground, I want the TR AI looking over my shoulder not redoing a very carefully crafted training plan into a zone 2 mess. My biggest issue is that it’s making these far flung changes not based on the metrics I track (How hard was the workout, did my HR match the power output, HRV, Resting HR, Sleep quality, other stressors in my life, etc..), it simply looks at the training load and my age and says, no more for you. So please, put this thing back on the workbench and bring back a system that worked for the most part.
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Respectfully, maybe you could work with TR to fix your individual issue, rather than demanding they roll back the whole new system for everyone?
It’s working very nicely for me.
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Just turn off fatigue detection and turn off Ai FTP prediction. That should get you want you I think?
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And maybe pin your future workouts if you don’t want them changed.
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Using the AI is completely optional.
If you like to “carefully craft” your training, choose “TrainerRoad Workout” instead of “TrainerRoad AI Workout” when adding things to the calendar.
Alternatively, if you want to work with the AI, but don’t want it to change your z2 rides for example, you can pin them, or use workout alternates.
You’ll still see the AI predicted difficulty workouts you add, so that’s a way to still have it “look over your shoulder’ without intervening.
That said, the AI is 70% more likely to pick a workout that isn’t too easy or too hard for the zone than self selected. So I encourage you to give it a try for at least a block. I promise your over unders won’t be easy.
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I’ve turned it off 3 times, it keeps turning itself back on. In addition, the reason I use TR is that I want the Ai looking over my shoulder but not making changes without my permission (the previous system). If it makes changes off minimal evidence (age, Workout load). Like I said in my original post, I look at a whole slew of data. If the AI makes a suggestion, I can review the data and either reject or accept it’s recommendation.
If your an employee at TR please look at what it’s been doing to me. I have to redo my entire program 3 times because it keeps f’ing up. The last change it attempted, I did an O/U which was hard as it should be. The AI came back and dropped all my O/U WO’s to 1/3 of the workout I just SUCCESSFULLY completed. IT DOES NOT WORK.
What specifically are you turning off that keeps getting turned back on? Fatigue Detection or AiFTP Prediction. You can always choose to do the original workout instead of the suggested one. Two ways of doing this, pin the workout and it wont change. Or after a workout has been adapted, click at the top of the workout where it shows the original type of workout (the Monopoly card analogy) and pick the original workout.
Does that help?
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They don’t say exactly how those metrics are computed, but based on the footnotes and how Nate described it, I think it’s something like this:
They look at survey outcomes for the hard zones (vo2, threshold, etc.), and see if the responses result in a outcome that is appropriate for that type of zone, say Hard or Very Hard for vo2. If you rate it easy, or you fail, then it’s not a good workout whether you or the AI picked it.
I think that’s a pretty fair criteria. It doesn’t consider the AI to be the correct baseline. If you’re fatigued, or didn’t sleep, so you lower the workout intensity, and it’s still hard. That is the “right” workout. If the AI picked a workout you failed because of fatigue, it’s the “wrong” workout.
And same thing for a stretch or breakthrough, as long as you don’t fail it or rate it easy, it’s probably considered an appropriate workout.
I’m using the terms “right” and “wrong” loosely here to describe the metric. Obviously there’s other factors like periodization, etc. that go into picking good workouts. But getting the RPE right is essential for consistent productive training.
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Your best bet is to email support directly or tag @eddie @Caro.Gomez-Villafane or @SeanHurley . You can’t expect them to necessarily see your post right away.
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I’m not a TR employee. Perhaps they can look into that for you.
The only reason I could think of is if fatigue is playing a role, like if you have a lot of intensity scheduled back to back, it might lower the difficulty to account for that, but 1/3 sounds like a lot, so it’s worth checking in with them.
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