Oh good idea! I sent this to our designers for their opinion
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Can you share what you’re doing with all of us?
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Got to the bottom of this one.
We have a bug that stops you from adding annotations before Jan. 1, 2018.
Good news is this will be fixed with the rebuilt calendar! I just tested it out. 
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Thanks you TR for doing these masters plans… it is exactly the right mix of workouts I need, so you’re saving me a lot of time building a schedule. Looking forward to jumping back into training using this!
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I will at some point, it may take a week as I’ve never tried to articulate it. Thought I originally learned about the basic technique from Coggan’s PMC articles on TP and/or Training and Racing with a Power Meter. Maybe they teach it in USAC coaching classes? I dunno. Anyways my brain is still here:
in Costa Rica and forcing myself into back-to-work mode with 5 big contracts and all the other stuff after 10 days out-of-office. But I will follow up at some point.
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I would like a “Race” category in this TSS chart. Asked for it ages ago, but got pushed back. My season consistes of several smaller races and a few big ones 100m TT, 12hrs TT, and even 24hr TT. It would be good to highlight these in the TSS chart in a different colour.
Ideally shading the colour for C, B and A races, but not necessary. Perhaps only A & B Races as c races are “just training rides” (I have heard in TR)
If using a plan builder built plan, I’d like to be able to see if I was in base, build or specialty when looking at the weekly TSS chart.
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Agreed, at least within the full Training Stress Page. Trying to do any review takes some guessing and cross checking with the Calendar to see key points in the training plan, not to mention A/B/C level Races & Events.
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Thanks for your response Nate.
Apologies for the poor communication.
I fundamentally want to be able to access the Plan Builder flow after I have initially set it up and make wholesale changes to it. I.e. this:
There are 2/3 main reasons I would want to do this rather than delete and re-apply the plan from scratch:
- My workout day preferences (& now max durations) are lost from the flow when I start from scratch.
- My plan start date is lost from the flow when I start from scratch. This means I have to remember to make a note of the original start date. When the new plan is applied, it shows up in my calendar from the later date, not the original date as well.
- It takes a lot of steps to go through the process of deleting and starting again.
At the moment, I can only make tweaks to certain parts from disparate places. In my first post I listed some examples of what I think I can and can’t do from various places.
This graph only sems to now exist while I’m initially creating my Plan as flagged in Can I see my training plan 'overview' page? - #5 by Julio1869
So if I moved my A race or added B races, I never see the holistic outcome in this graph. If I switch volume in one or multiple phases, I never get an overview of the impact. This graph is excellent. Please let me see it again.
The reason this really matters is that I tend not to have my A races for the following year nailed I can’t be alone here) before I start my base phase. So I know the plan is going to change a lot.
Multiple Places
I actually don’t care that much about being able to access and change my Custom plan from lots of places. If it was under just one of Training Plans or Career wouldn’t bother me. The changes that can be made directly from Calendar (add, remove races and changing the volume and day distribution of phases) I would often happily go directly back into the Plan Builder flow and edit there. Because when I do these things from Calendar, I don’t see an overview of the impact - the overall impact on TSS, distribution of phases etc…
Changing the workout days and max duration makes lots of sense within a phase from Calendar. But these are tweaks. Not wholesale changes.
The bigger the change, the more I crave seeing the overview.
I can’t really do anything here. There’s not a lot of information and it doesn’t even link to somewhere to show me more information or make any real edits. I can change the name or delete. I kind of ask what is the point?
My final point is that I’ve spent a lot of time looking at this tool in desktop, mobile and webapp and tried every which way to play with it. I’m still confused about what I can do where and get frustrated with bugs in the process flow. This knowledge degrades during the year while I’m not making major changes. The Support articles don’t really help. So my last request was to beef up the explanations and examples and FAQs relating to this tool.
Sorry for the long post.
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Two examples. 11 weeks in base below. TSB scale on left, mostly negative numbers. Individual workouts are positive bars, TSS scale on right.
I learned to ramp TSS around 2-3 per week. Learned that my best training is between 0 and -20, and to backoff when TSS drops below -20.
More aggressive stacking example
Ok, moving on.
Using TSB to rearrange workouts, pay attention to the (negative) -29 TSB:
for that week:
next day:
and the day after that, with TSB at -9:
coach: “strong power and good back to back sets. any fatigue from the weekend in these?”
me: “These felt easy and good, could have done more. No fatigue from the weekend.”
@Nate_Pearson no offense but you guys come off as dismissive of PMC/CTL/TSS/TSB, which I understand if somebody is doing 3 workouts a week for a total of 3-5 hours. I’m doing 4-5 workouts/week, more hours, and FWIW the PMC has always worked well for me but how I interpret and use it changes over the seasons (IMHO a good scenario for using ML with user feedback).
Hope that helps.
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I’m trying to update my build phase that starts in 2 weeks to a mid volume masters plan. After setting my days and durations as I want them, I click update, and nothing changes. I’ve tried on Chrome on my desktop and on the app on my Galaxy S22.
Any ideas?
It starts in two weeks… why not just delete and start fresh?
I’m currently in a plan that transitions from base to build, and just want to adjust the build phase heading into a string of races in January/February.
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Ok… Got it now! 
Get in touch with support@trainerroad.com and we should be able to get that sorted for you!
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If its an older plan they seem to have a few bugs, mine did. Support told me to delete that plan and add a new one to replace it which starts on the new date, select it as a ‘Masters Plan’ and customise away (Training days, Workout hours and Inside/Outside). Doing so sorted it for me quickly. Its quite a simple process but if you are not sure contact support@trainerroad.com and they’ll guide you through it.
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I am super looking fwd to this. Will be helpful to be able to adjust my planned workout lengths and intensities, as I optimize bw the likelihood of overreaching and a higher expected FTP at the end. Will take a few seasons to figure out the right balance but this will help a ton.
Separately, am concerned that a TSS only overreach gauge be much too simplistic. Perhaps an OK first step, but needs to be more than TSS. Similar Endurance and VO2max TSS cause massively diff stresses on the body, require massively different recovery needs.
Perhaps you can use your data to identify a better metric that takes intensity (and time at intensity) into proper account, by looking at the probability of missing a following workout as a function of that metric for the prior workout (regardless of the type of workout). Prob wouldnt be that different than workout levels, but would unify across workout types.
This is def something i also struggle w. Wonder as I alternate bw road and TT that my FTP will be off and the prescribed workouts not as specific, fail to accomplish their goal vs too hard causing me to fail.
In light of the discussion on Aging and Performance Aging and performance - #30 by ChrisDe I think the idea to have comparative age related data may need finer granularity above 65, as it seems a 5 year range is too course to be meaningful. I essence the performance drop off with age seems to increase rapidly above 65.
That discussion also seems to indicate that declining Maximal Stroke Volume is likely to be the main cause of this performance decline. If so are the new Masters Plans based on improving MSV?
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Also Running TSS! such a chore to retroactively enter TSS….
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