Lionel Sanders Hour Record šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦

There is zero chance Sanders ever gets the Hour…ever. ā€œOnlyā€ 7% is a massive gap.

Not only that, Sanders is aero as a brick, won’t listen to anyone and insists on doing things his own way.

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There’s lots of people I’d like to see too, and although it wouldn’t be UCI valid I’d love someone to just throw all the tech at it. I want different wheel sizes, deep areo tubes from tri bikes, crazy arm out posisitions.
I’d also like some of the break away specalists to have a go but obviously they can’t cos their teams need them but it’d be nice to have a rash of attemps again.

You have the record of Chris Boardman to look at. With a position like that on a newer bike with a Ganna type rider… might come scary close to 60k…

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He acknowledges this. Good enough for tri wins, not good enough for track records.

Obree’s tuck is still the most aero.

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Not certain that is true…I think Boardman’s Superman proved to be more aero.

And maybe not good enough for for beating the likes of Jan or Patrick. His running form is pretty stiff, which might be due to him leaving too much on the bike…
It is believed that Jan averages around 15 to 20 Watts less than LS on the bike, despite being much taller (presumably less aero).
It would definitely help LS in either sport to focus more on preserving power, and not turning the cranks harder. He is top class in the latter department already.

Bit of testing here.

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SEE ABOVE!!

Obree did a short docu last year(?) where he did a bunch of wind tunnel testing — outlawed tuck still #1.

The Superman was also Obree’s innovation.

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Ha! We posted at the same time.

That’s what I’d like to see again/next out there thinkers/teams. But I doubt we’ll see the like of him again, at least with the current rule set.

Thanks for the link.

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Did you watch it? That was his first event on a UCI legal bike. I think 5% of the 7% everyone is freaking out about could be eliminated with better form, line choice and experience.

I don’t think it’s even a question as to if he can break the record only a question of by how much.

I’m a huge Lionel fan, but I would guess that even he wouldn’t be as confident as some of you guys are in terms of the WR. :joy: That’s a huge step up at this pointy end of the stick. Would I love to see it happen? Of course! But realistically I don’t think it’s reasonable to be talking about him like he’s within just a few small tweaks of suddenly setting the new WR, even though his performance was truly impressive and inspiring given the the circumstances.

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Well I guess if he can come up with another 40 W…

Maybe he just needs to sign up for TR? 'cause based on what you read on here, thousands and thousands of cyclists can get their FTP to 5 W/kg; it shouldn’t be that hard for an above-average talent like LS to go from 5.4 to 5.9 W/kg. :roll_eyes:

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Agreed, you have same people saying he’s as aero as a brick and also saying no chance he ever does it. If he puts his mind to it and dedicates his time he could definitely do it.

Maybe you’re too old or too dead (or some of both) but there’s this wild thing all the kids are texting about these days…it’s called ā€œaeroā€. Rumour has it the super cool kids call it ā€œfree speedā€. Sounds both dangerous and exciting!

Take it easy, gramps. :v:t2:

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Sanders has been to multiple winds tunnels sessions, most recently (I think) when he switched over to Canyon. Guess what…his aerodynamics still suck.

Heck, look at his form in the video above…his knees are splayed out, his body is all over the place and he is attempting to bludgeon the air into submission.

He has been at this long enough to understand the free speed available from aerodynamics…but yet the situation remains the same.

As others have pointed out, not only is LS an aero brick, he shows little interest in changing. He’ll never get within sniffing distance of the WR.

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I’m not sure if he’s ever been to a wind tunnel - - do you have reference to when these multiple visits occurred? If I recall correctly, he did a velodrome session when he switched to Canyon with Jim Manton of ERO as well as a couple other people, but otherwise hasn’t done much besides some bike fits more recently with Ivan O’Gorman.

ETA: No disagreement from me on his aero-brickness though. :joy: It has improved slightly since his change from riding LG to Canyon, but his style is likely to always be a hindrance.

You’re right…it was ERO.

The point remains,he has all the tools and resources available to him and he continues to ignore them.

See also hiw he approaches his swim…he is incapable of turning over control to anyone else and following their advice.

Yup, I think that’s one of the major frustrations with fans and haters alike. He definitely needs to fully understand something or at least experienced it in some way before accepting it either way (usually from failure, unfortunately :joy:). I think being back with David has and will continue to help him keep on track a little better than his going at it solo - - 2017 with his performances at ITU Long Course Worlds and Kona were a great result of that collaboration that I hope will continue to pay off for him going forward.