I brought it up because usually I donāt get the struggle survey. Iāve done plenty of outside workouts since being accepted into AT but usually I just go in the calendar, click where it says missing response and submit how I felt. This is the first time when I clicked on missing response that it prompted as if Iād done a workout. So I was just wondering if some slight progress is being made to at least acknowledge that I did a workout I guess.
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I had an adaptation pending today after a Zwift race last night. I think I heard on the podcast that considering non-TR workouts is being worked on but not yet ready and I wanted to check if maybe things have moved - maybe itās in the beta? Itās the second time Iāve seen an adaptation without obviously being triggered by a workout.
In addition to the race, I had missed a workout on Wednesday (life got in the way) which I was planning to do today instead. Can missing a workout trigger an adaptation?
If the missed workout is the cause, should I accept the adaptation, even though I still expect to do the workout on a later day? Until now, Iāve worked on the principle of accepting any adaptations and letting AT do itās thing.
Every outdoor workout Iāve done on Wahoo has given me the Struggle survey you mentioned. If I do a free ride or a group ride where it isnāt associated with a workout, it gives me the Pass survey. So it appears to recognize when it is or isnāt a workout, but it doesnāt know which workout or how that relates to your Progression Levels at the moment. At least thatās what it seems like is happening based on my experience and the comments Nate made about the current stumbling blocks with the Wahoo side of things.
So I finally got into the AT beta and am so stoked to use it for the remainder of my season. Iām doing all my Saturday sweet spot workouts from sustained power build LV outside in prep for a marathon XC race and was curious how using a different bike than my indoor setup would affect the adaptations. I have an oval ring on my Blur so the power is 4-5% higher than what I usually see indoors, if I jump back and forth between inside and outside workouts on these days is it going to throw off the adaptations?
guessing here
I think youāll be ok as your outside rides are higher. There isnāt any āSuper Passā yet so you shouldnāt get prescribed workouts above your level due to high power output.
So long as you know the correct number to aim for on the MTB and follow the correct structure I think youāll be ok (other outside workout issues not withstanding).
Interesting development today. I havenāt seen it announced or mentioned, but it may already be out there.
Today I had a āsuccessfulā workout, but if I put āhardā as the response then it asks why I struggled, if I put moderate it doesnāt, and obviously just deems it a success.
Itās interesting and shows a finer level of learning than I realised was going on.
So it looks like Iāll be the one who asks the inevitable questionā¦ 
The estimate 17 days ago was from a week to a year ā¦ any update on that estimate? Asking because Iām planning out my training ahead of the CX season, and if AT is on the way (in Early Access) then my understanding is that Iāll need to give more thought to the days I plan to train, since moving workouts around stops AT giving adaptations? (Not really been paying much attention to the AT Beta details, so I may not have that correct).
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All workouts contribute to the suggested adaptations but if you move a workout then those adaptations wonāt apply.
Thatās the simplistic view. What tends to happen is that you complete a workout and AT looks at your next workouts, possibly a week ahead, might be more, might be less, and suggests adaptations. Depending on what your setup is these are applied automatically or on a per workout basis or you reject them. If you now move those workouts the applied adaptations are still valid.
What wonāt work is if you move workouts prior to any adaptations being applied - AT seems to lose track of them - when you do them then theyāll count towards future workouts.
What I think is happening (pure guesswork on my part so feel free to ignore/shoot it down) is that AT builds a matrix of your workouts (which probably why Plan Builder is currently required) and the adaptations are calculated not only on how well you did with todayās but also how long it is to the next allowing for some decay in the various energy systems.
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I saw this today in our Slack. Iād like to challenge to the team so that it still gives adaptations even if they are on different days. I donāt know the technical lift for that, so I canāt give a timeline.
I donāt have any other timelines to share.
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Question in a week I am in and what to do. In week 1 of polarized and since I cannot move workouts around I decided to do gibbs earlier and then fletcher tomorrow.
Since I did gibbs early it is still there but will it fall off or do I just ignore it?? No adaptations yet but figure I am early
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Just ignore it. It will stay on your calendar but darken out when skipped.
So I just did my first workout with AT. I completed a sweet spot workout which was marked achievable and ended up doing all the intervals at around +2% and still felt moderate. AT marked the workout as stretch instead of achievable but I didnāt see any adaptations. Curious how often adaptations are triggered? Are they usually immediate after a workout?
Thanks and was not sure as I thought it would count it as a missed workout as it is still on the calendar.
It will count as missed in terms of the TSS (i.e. youāll have say 500/600TSS instead of 500/500TSS) but AT will give you credit for completing it regardless of which day 
.
Iām not certain that 2% increase will trigger a Superpass. Based on some posts by other users a few weeks ago, I get the impression that Superpasses arenāt working quite right yet.
That said, try marking the workout as Easy and see if that helps to create adaptations or bump your level. Note that this all assumes the workout was done indoors. If it was done outdoors there are some bugs that mean it may or may not be providing credit to your Progression Levels.
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How well established are your PLās? My adaptations have slowed right down. I wondered if it was accidentally turned off, but when I swapped my Friday and Saturday workouts and hit update I got about 11 updates right away so it was obviously happy.
It might be that your workouts are pretty close currently.
Iām sure this has been asked a thousand times, but I donāt seem to be able to dig out the answer, so here goes:
If Iām scheduled say a 3x20 tempo workout with 15minutes warmup, 15 min cool down and 5min rest in between sets and I decide to do it outdoors, but my terrain features say
20min warmup, 3x14-30min, rest 5-12 minutes between sets, 30min cool down.
what happens? Question goes for AT as well as levels.
Thank you for your patience 
Well, outdoor workouts currently are in a gray area of support to begin with so it may or may not provide credit to your levels. That said, part of the deal with outdoor workouts is in selecting a route that will give your the best opportunity to completing the intervals as intended. Business park loops work great if youāve got them and longer climbs for repeats are good for those with that kind of terrain. For folks in punchy areas, it takes a little more thought and planning to find something that isnāt too pitchy.
So basically, if youāre not overly concerned with hitting the interval lengths exactly, just go out and mimic what you can. If you want the precision, consider altering your route to compensate.
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Apologies if this has been addressed already.
I just did a ramp test and got a 1 watt increase (seriously! 260=>261) - My levels dropped (-1?) but ideally I should have been able to accept the FTP increase, by deny the update in levels. Any thoughts to offer that functionality? Of course, I will just ignore the new level recommendations and manually select workouts (based on my previous benchmarks, and knowing what the delta is for a progressive workout etc.) until the AT catches up - Thanks !
Has the decay issue not been fixed? I got a bump to SS 4.2 2 weeks ago now down to 3.3. I have not taken 2 weeks completely off but just havenāt been doing sweet spot work, but Iāve been riding outside (I know this doesnāt impact levels) and doing other work.
It seems like with current decay rates if youāre not doing every ride to try and maintain certain levels, they will never be accurate and as a result the difficulty ratings become useless.
AT should be able to recognize time off the bike from time off training specific zones and not decay levels (or at least not as quickly) for someone who is riding/training but not in that zone vs someone who simply takes a break in general