Hi. I’m currently in a UX design program. I thought it would be great to explore how TR provide a clean mobile experience for AT. FYI, I’m not in the beta group YET, so I’m pouring through the thread to try and pick up general themes. If anyone would be interested in connecting to answer a few questions, it would be hugely appreciated. Thanks, Mike, Seattle
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I’ve always interpreted the “Intensity” to mean intensity for the target duration. At least for me, the only way I would use a “pure” intensity is if I couldn’t even hit the intensity. That is: if for example a TR workout wanted me to do 1,000 watts for 5 seconds, and I couldn’t even hit the 1,000 watts for a second.
Otherwise, if I can hit the intensity, it is then a question of: can I hold the target intensity for the target time period.
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I just did a wahoo workout outside. On the web, I got the fail survey. I put I didn’t struggle then marked it moderate. I probably got the survey because of a couple road crossings or something.
But wait…. What did I miss? Progress on outside workouts now?
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You got that “struggle” survey because that is still the default option. They have not made that change yet, if you were assuming it would be the “pass” survey.
Is that what you were wondering?
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I brought it up because usually I don’t get the struggle survey. I’ve done plenty of outside workouts since being accepted into AT but usually I just go in the calendar, click where it says missing response and submit how I felt. This is the first time when I clicked on missing response that it prompted as if I’d done a workout. So I was just wondering if some slight progress is being made to at least acknowledge that I did a workout I guess.
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I had an adaptation pending today after a Zwift race last night. I think I heard on the podcast that considering non-TR workouts is being worked on but not yet ready and I wanted to check if maybe things have moved - maybe it’s in the beta? It’s the second time I’ve seen an adaptation without obviously being triggered by a workout.
In addition to the race, I had missed a workout on Wednesday (life got in the way) which I was planning to do today instead. Can missing a workout trigger an adaptation?
If the missed workout is the cause, should I accept the adaptation, even though I still expect to do the workout on a later day? Until now, I’ve worked on the principle of accepting any adaptations and letting AT do it’s thing.
Every outdoor workout I’ve done on Wahoo has given me the Struggle survey you mentioned. If I do a free ride or a group ride where it isn’t associated with a workout, it gives me the Pass survey. So it appears to recognize when it is or isn’t a workout, but it doesn’t know which workout or how that relates to your Progression Levels at the moment. At least that’s what it seems like is happening based on my experience and the comments Nate made about the current stumbling blocks with the Wahoo side of things.
So I finally got into the AT beta and am so stoked to use it for the remainder of my season. I’m doing all my Saturday sweet spot workouts from sustained power build LV outside in prep for a marathon XC race and was curious how using a different bike than my indoor setup would affect the adaptations. I have an oval ring on my Blur so the power is 4-5% higher than what I usually see indoors, if I jump back and forth between inside and outside workouts on these days is it going to throw off the adaptations?
guessing here
I think you’ll be ok as your outside rides are higher. There isn’t any “Super Pass” yet so you shouldn’t get prescribed workouts above your level due to high power output.
So long as you know the correct number to aim for on the MTB and follow the correct structure I think you’ll be ok (other outside workout issues not withstanding).
Interesting development today. I haven’t seen it announced or mentioned, but it may already be out there.
Today I had a “successful” workout, but if I put “hard” as the response then it asks why I struggled, if I put moderate it doesn’t, and obviously just deems it a success.
It’s interesting and shows a finer level of learning than I realised was going on.
So it looks like I’ll be the one who asks the inevitable question… 
The estimate 17 days ago was from a week to a year … any update on that estimate? Asking because I’m planning out my training ahead of the CX season, and if AT is on the way (in Early Access) then my understanding is that I’ll need to give more thought to the days I plan to train, since moving workouts around stops AT giving adaptations? (Not really been paying much attention to the AT Beta details, so I may not have that correct).
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All workouts contribute to the suggested adaptations but if you move a workout then those adaptations won’t apply.
That’s the simplistic view. What tends to happen is that you complete a workout and AT looks at your next workouts, possibly a week ahead, might be more, might be less, and suggests adaptations. Depending on what your setup is these are applied automatically or on a per workout basis or you reject them. If you now move those workouts the applied adaptations are still valid.
What won’t work is if you move workouts prior to any adaptations being applied - AT seems to lose track of them - when you do them then they’ll count towards future workouts.
What I think is happening (pure guesswork on my part so feel free to ignore/shoot it down) is that AT builds a matrix of your workouts (which probably why Plan Builder is currently required) and the adaptations are calculated not only on how well you did with today’s but also how long it is to the next allowing for some decay in the various energy systems.
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I saw this today in our Slack. I’d like to challenge to the team so that it still gives adaptations even if they are on different days. I don’t know the technical lift for that, so I can’t give a timeline.
I don’t have any other timelines to share.
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Question in a week I am in and what to do. In week 1 of polarized and since I cannot move workouts around I decided to do gibbs earlier and then fletcher tomorrow.
Since I did gibbs early it is still there but will it fall off or do I just ignore it?? No adaptations yet but figure I am early
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Just ignore it. It will stay on your calendar but darken out when skipped.
So I just did my first workout with AT. I completed a sweet spot workout which was marked achievable and ended up doing all the intervals at around +2% and still felt moderate. AT marked the workout as stretch instead of achievable but I didn’t see any adaptations. Curious how often adaptations are triggered? Are they usually immediate after a workout?
Thanks and was not sure as I thought it would count it as a missed workout as it is still on the calendar.
It will count as missed in terms of the TSS (i.e. you’ll have say 500/600TSS instead of 500/500TSS) but AT will give you credit for completing it regardless of which day 
.
I’m not certain that 2% increase will trigger a Superpass. Based on some posts by other users a few weeks ago, I get the impression that Superpasses aren’t working quite right yet.
That said, try marking the workout as Easy and see if that helps to create adaptations or bump your level. Note that this all assumes the workout was done indoors. If it was done outdoors there are some bugs that mean it may or may not be providing credit to your Progression Levels.
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How well established are your PL’s? My adaptations have slowed right down. I wondered if it was accidentally turned off, but when I swapped my Friday and Saturday workouts and hit update I got about 11 updates right away so it was obviously happy.
It might be that your workouts are pretty close currently.