Very cool. I know there are questions as to the efficacy of this information (changes in FTP change levels, too), but I think from a motivational standpoint in each block (base, build and specialty), it would be very cool to follow the PL progress in some way.
Yes… I just got the email… My number are low tho… Such a noob!
Anyways… I chose to adapt right away… Let the AI take over
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The lack of cross-correlation between levels is my biggest gripe with them. You touch a lot of different systems with every ride, and classification is binned a bit nonsensically. If you are a 6.6 at tempo, then for sure you are not a 1.7 in endurance. I’ve mentioned a few times there should be strong downward correlations between levels from threshold and down. Moving upward is not necessarily as strong. Nor is there between Vo2/anerobic and threshold/SS/tempo. That said, it’s a safe bet your SS/threshold/ anaerobic numbers are bunk based on what you have there.
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Just added, looking forward to training with AT.
Did a quick search and it didnt come up in the topic, so apologies if its been asked. A useful feature (for me atleast) would be to have an adaption history similar to that of FTP history? I think it would provide good context to where you have come from etc…
I accepted an adaption based on a workout; when I knew going into the workout (pre-AT) that it was going to be hard and probably not complete-able. Im assuming AT will take this into consideration on the workout that was adapted, but some context to history wouldnt hurt (probably unnecessary in terms of value though for 90% of users myself inclusive)
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Interesting. There have been suggestions for progression level history, but not for adaptation history. A history of how workouts adapted over the course of a plan could actually be quite useful in some cases. Great idea!
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Is there a way to have AT take into account that your goals for a TR workout are not what the workout originally was. Two examples–I did Beehive recently, which is a 2-hour endurance workout, but ended up doing sweet spot for 90ish minutes. It said I completed an endurance workout but made not adjustment to sweetspot level (which was 1.XX despite an outside workout recently that was almost 2 hours at SS but I know that’s not getting incorporated yet). The second example was doing Elephants+3 so I could do 4x8 then add one more because I was feeling okay then skipping the last 8-minute interval. That was interpreted as a failure and it took my VO2 max level from 8.XX to 5.XX. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me given I nailed 4x8 at 106-108%.
From what I’ve read in this thread, over-achieving on a workout doesn’t appear to be properly tracked by AT at the moment. Best way to adjust the levels for those zones is to do a workout in them exactly as prescribed indoors.
I’m confused here…I just got accepted into AT. Do I need to do Plan Builder to get all the benefits of AT or can I schedule a pre determined training plan. I currently don’t have any events coming up but have small goals I want to achieve.
And how does it work with outside rides that are not a workout? i.e. Saturday group rides.
I’m sure these have been covered extensively in this thread
It’s nuanced. Here’s a breakdown of what the current situation is (to the best of my current understanding).
- Workouts completed in a stock plan will give credit to Progression Levels.
- Workouts in Plan Builder will give credit to Progression Levels.
- Workouts completed in a stock plan will not trigger future adaptations.
- Workouts in Plan Builder will trigger future adaptations.
- Outside Trainer Road workouts may or may not work for you based on a couple factors, namely the head unit you use, and even then they may or may not be classified correctly once completed. These are listed in the Known Issues and are a current priority for the TR team from what @IvyAudrain has mentioned.
- Outside rides like group rides or anything that doesn’t have the strict structure of a workout currently will not adjust your Progression Levels or provide credit towards future adaptations. This is also one of the TR team’s near-future if not current priorities.
My suggestion in your case is to just set up Plan Builder with an end date for your 2021 riding season to get the adaptations. You don’t need an A or B race to do this at all, so you can set it up kind of free form and add in events like gran fondos or other organized rides as if they were your A, B and C events down the line and PB will adjust your plan when you add them.
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Seems like just about everyone getting added to the beta now… except me. I’m either really unlucky or been forgotten about.
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Nobody likes you 
Or me.
And it’s my birthday today too. Still no AT for me either.
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We are the forgotten ones 
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Happy birthday!!! 
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Thanks Chad 
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Level decay seems a bit off to me. Just finishing my recovery week and I’ve dropped from a 9.1 Tempo to a 5.9 Tempo and a 10.0 Sweet Spot to a 5.3. Bizarrely my Anaerobic is unchanged at 6.9.
Thanks to the FTP test I’m basically expecting most of those to end up near 2.0 afterwards and my first weeks of the new plan will be comically easy.
Not sure if this is what you mean but I’m manually tracking changes in PL because I’m curious.
How does AT handle substituting the Sunday (normally) sweet spot ride for the longer endurance ride that is suggested in the Weekly Tips?
I’m doing the SSB HV plan and the Sunday SS ride is five levels lower than my current SS PL. I’m feeling a little fatigued and want to do the longer endurance ride. Just wondering what to expect when I do Town Hill instead of Kabati. Thanks!
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I did this early on. Outside rides won’t contribute to levels outside of circumstances seen higher up in the thread (Garmin and all that) and your Sweet Spot level will decay after a few weeks. That decay wasn’t too big a deal for me as I was headed to build anyway and that focuses more on the VO2 work, and a high SS PL isn’t as important in that block.
Despite that, I found no detriment to my plan or the rest of the workouts. In fact, I think those rides were really valuable for me despite them not contributing to my levels. Could things have been more optimal? Probably, but I still saw gains and benefits and it totally helped me clear my head and remind me why I love bikes after months of indoor training. For me it was all about staying mentally fresh by giving myself a fun adventure every week than it was for the fitness benefits. The work became play.
In short, go for it! Especially go for it if it motivates you. The best plan is the one you do consistently.
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I have a quick question: I’m not in the beta yet and forgive me if this had been covered before in the 3,500+ responses, but what is the recommended way to nudge AT to let you level up? Should I aim for a superpass in a workout? Should I replace workouts manually with more difficult versions and still pass? I have a dumb trainer, so in principle I can put more power to the pedals. On the other hand, it would seem silly to always aim higher than the workout asks for.