Zwift post ride survey

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First off really looking forward to taking advantage of the new AI…switched from Wahoo SYSTEM specifically for this…although I will miss the Full Frontal Test..in a sadisitic kind of way….

It looks like the Zwift post ride RPE survey translates into the app? Based of the rides setting RPE within the app without my direct input when answering the Zwift RPE

Question then is there a benefit of riding on the app at the same time as Zwift and using the App for control/feedback - beleive your RPE question allows input of why a ride felt hard/failed. Listening to the Youtube explaination it implies that the reason stated will have an impact on the AI. Concern is that Zwift does not give this option.

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My advice is to do the survey in either the app or on the mobile website (app and mobile web are pretty much identical now).

The zwift survey is convenient but the TR one is a bit more feature-rich like you say.

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The numbers translate consistently. 1 and 2 are easy, 9 and 10 max effort. Etc.

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that’s really helpful thank you. Seems i rated Cloudripper one too high…best to know now :slight_smile:

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This is how I do it too, but I’ve seen very good arguments for:

1-3 easy

4-5 moderate

6-7 hard

8-9 very hard

10 all out

I should probably change to that, but in the moment when the survey pops up, I find it hard to start my brain with an even number and not an odd one.

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The 2 level groups translate as expected in TR. 1-2 as easy, 3 as moderate.

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Are you positive? I’m not arguing, just wondering if someone else has already done the test and I can stick to my normal way.

The reason the other way intrigues me is that really, there should not be 2 degrees of “all out”.

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I don’t use zwift workout player myself but I thought it was found that the numbers were shifted?

1,2,3 were easy and only 10 was max effort.

I think 3 is even labelled “easy” in zwift :thinking:

I don’t know why TR don’t just publish the translation :joy:

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Now I’m doubting myself. :slight_smile: I just trusted the chart.

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I ignore the Zwift survey and just do the RPE when I load up TR. It will ask for a response. I use Chad’s chart for consistency.

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Next easy ride I do I’ll do it in zwift and pick 3….

for science :man_scientist:

Mad that nobody knows for sure :joy:

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Been using TR workouts in Zwift since release, and those numbers are the correct mapping from Zwift survey to TR survey. I’ve had many inputs pretty much all over the range (except 9 and 10) and its matches my experience.

As for the original question: there’s no big benefit towards training in having TR control resistance directly over having Zwift do the same. You can use this approach to work around some in-game restrictions, e.g. to do workouts during events, but that’s about it. The outcome of a workout is pretty much identical.

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I’m about to ride. I’ll do a 5 minute warmup in Zwift and rate it 3 to see what happens.

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I run TR and zwift on PC.

I prefer using TR to control my trainer for the following reasons - some are likely only relevant to my particular setup.

  1. ERG mode and power match feels better on TR app. Less likely to run into wattage floor issues and stays closer to target.

  2. swap worlds, events, while running a workout.

  3. I like the blue bars :smiling_face:

  4. typically around 5mins quicker to actually start doing my workout - there is no messing around pairing sensors, picking routes and waiting for watopia to load on the TR app.

  5. connection to sensors seem more stable of the TR app

  6. never had the TR app crash (admit this is also very very rare on zwift nowadays)

Edit: forgot one of the main advantages - I link my PM pedals to TR and trainer power to zwift so I have on-the-fly dual recording so I can validate my power meter readings - useful when I’m finding an interval hard I optimistically think “maybe my PM is reading low” …. Nope unfortunately not!

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I’m a dummy. I just did a 10 min ride to test it and totally forgot that a free ride wouldn’t have a survey :man_facepalming:

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1–3 in Zwift map to “Easy” in TrainerRoad. 4 (“Comfortable”) is “Moderate” in TrainerRoad. I had an endurance week last week and 4 → Moderate caught me a little by surprise, so I changed it to “Easy” in TR.

Looking back on Intervals.icu and my TR calendar, 4–5 maps to “Moderate”, 6–7* is “Hard”, and I haven’t rated anything 7–10 recently so I can’t see what they map to.

* Don’t say it.

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I believe it is all rounded down to 5 point scale in translation. So a 3 in Zwift = 1.5 = 1 in TR. A 7 in Zwift = 3.5 = 3. That is how I think of it, but now I just stick to numbers 1, 4, 6, 8, 10 as equivalent to 1-5 and ignore Zwift descriptions. Or maybe I should start at 2 now that I am writing it down and thinking about it more…

I was part of Zwift beta and raised this issue, but it was just sort of “thanks for feedback, we will share with team”.

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3 in Zwift translates to easy/1 in TR. The description in Zwift is easy . I just ranked my workout this morning a 3 and its easy in TR. Believe only 10 is Max Effort.

For the most part the descriptions in zwift line up with TR, they are just “more” descriptive.

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Thanks!!!

We need @mcneese.chad to update his chart now…

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