Never used WKO5 so I can’t say. I use .ICU but that doesn’t build me an ATP based of my CTL goals.
It might?!
Think it does, found an 8-week HIIT Maintenance plan:
added to my Library, and previewed it:
More info:
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What happens if you turn Adaptive Training off?
Does that limit your ability to use AIFTP?
Does it turn off “train now”?
Can you turn it back on again and will it analyze the past workouts for which it was turned off?
I’m not currently using Adaptive Training and I find the workout levels, progression levels and surveys distracting, but I’d like
I will stop Strava premium (used it for creating routes) and switch to Komoot which is very good at least here in Europe. I will still use Strava fremium to store all my rides. I like some local segments to track my own progress over time.
I tried and will stop TP as I do not really use it.
I used zwift, but moved to FulGaz. I really love the rides and never really did any zwift racing. The trainer controls are much better.
I did move away from TR to join for training plans, but will move back after my current period ends. (Still need to find out whether TR workouts can be synced to FulGaz easily.
So in the end I will pay for TR, FulGaz and Komoot since they are worth it to me.
I’ve experimented similarly. For now, I’m paying for:
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TrainingPeaks (far and away my favorite calendar for multi-sport scheduling, and I build my interval workouts for both running and indoor cycling there)
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TrainerRoad for various reasons
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RideWithGPS to create and analyze routes
In another year or so, I’ll revisit the idea of which of these to continue.
Far as I can tell it only stops adjusting workouts in your plan. I still use AIFTP and I assume it’s just as accurate, not sure why it wouldn’t be.
Train now is still available and appropriate per my PLs and previous workouts.
Yes you can turn it back on, it’s just a toggle switch. I would assume AT would adjust future workouts based on your current PLs and previous workouts once you turn it back on.
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TP is excellent, it looks more solid, but it doesn’t worth the price as intervlas.icu offers me more and it’s free, although for the excellent job I’ll support it. Workout creator on intervals is far better than TP. Also, TR calendar can be synced with intervals, TP no.
WKO5 offers deep analysis when needed, even though I’m still learning how to read, interpret and make better use of all that analysis. I used the trial period and probably will buy it at some black friday, promo, etc. Full price is quite high for me.
I’m planning my next season in this format:
TR for time crunch workouts during off season and SST base. After that I’ll dropped it and keep my plan as self-coach. All will be based on intervals, unless a very good deal for TP shows up. Deep analysis WKO5, if a good deal shows up, other than that Golden Cheetah, however the latter is unbelievable slow in my machine and I don’t like that much, I found it confused.
IMO, TR lacks some individualization. All AI thing is very nice and I like it. But I have to work in some specific areas, short power increase, power producing in different quadrants, leg balance, etc, things I can’t have from TR, at least not that I know.
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- What would these be or look like?
- Are there other apps that offer this type of thing outside of individual coaching?
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Mainly cadence drills, and self-discipline. I’ve been majoritarily producing power in quadrant IV, and my short peak power is below average, I’m not even capable of surpass the 4 digits. I my limited knowledge this indicates an area to be improved. So I want to work in short power producing, without sacrificing the 20/60m power, which is my strength.
I’m trying to be a self-couched athlete, as I love to know this subject and all the nuances. I’m analysing my data files more thoroughly lately to achieve it. I’ll make mistakes, sure, but I hope I learn from them.
No, I don’t think there’s an app or something capable to address cases like this. It looks for me a individual case to be dealt with. It’s not TR fault or something to be improved, it’s just to individual.
You can kind of do it with WKO and Garmin Connect / ECOsystem, however I have never found anything actionable from the data and analysis.
I know its about time I had another bike fit, I didnt need any data to tell me that.
I have got a left right imbalance at lower power about 47/53 but 50/50 at and above FTP. The right leg applies power 5-10 degrees earlier and finishes 5 degree later, but what can I really do with that information? Nothing really.
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I tend to agree. Despite all the data that can be pulled from something like Garmin Pedaling Dynamics, using it any meaningful way seems a bit dubious to me.
I’m all for doing pedaling skills work and appreciate all the ones I used within the TR workout instructions for many years, but most of that can be done to general benefit without the data above. Outside of that, more dramatic issues with balance and power production are likely best addressed with physical training guided by a professional in that field.
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is there any mechanical work around? Crank length and such?
But yes, that’s more or less my case. I noticed a dropped in performance to the point to get dropped when the terrain goes to something like 10% and the cadence down to 70. I know I can just shift gear and keep the cadence a bit high. My optimal cadence looks like 85rpm, I always gravitate around this number, willing or not.
What I want to do, based on this information, is some gym work, cadence drills, and so on to address this.
Totally agree. Not knowing what I was doing I did have it on screen and tried to address it. It made it worse in that it gave me back pain so I just decided to ignore it.
I’ll see if it improves with a bike fit though, just out of interest.
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I’m a fan of what he’s doing at intervals.icu, but I can’t agree with this at all.
I wouldnt say its better ir worse, I personally find is quicker to create a WO in icu but easier to adjust a WO in TP. For me each has its merits, but maybe thats just me. I like Trainerday as well (fits nicely inbetween.)
well, for my use.
I like the idea of writing the workout.
-15m press lap ramp 35-55% power:3s
warm up done, I found so easy.
Haha. I don’t even know what that means. That probably explains our different definitions of easy though! For me easy is graphical. Copy another workout that looks similar, make a minor modification. New workout.
I totally get that we all have our own preferences, I just wanted to share that we don’t all agree on what constitutes easy.
yep, for sure. Totally agree.
I’m graphical as well, but when I figured the “writing” process, it’s so easy, you can manipulate the way you want in no time.
In that example:
-15m (you must have time marked “m” or “h”, so the system you add 15m as starting point. You’ll notice that nothing happens. Then when you finish typing 35-55%, boom, done. you’ll have a ramp built.
Press lap means to finish with lap button, not automatically so that you can handle cool down, warm up, etc.
ramp is self-explanatory
if you want a range, it’ll be 15-20% or 110-120%, whatever you want. or a fixed target. 85%
power:3s will show power in 3 sec avg, and not for the full lap average, sometimes I prefer instant power for short intervals.
for a famous 5x5 vo2 for example
you start with how much times:
5x
-5m 105%
-5m 55%
that’s it, 5 intervals with hard at 105% and recovery at 55%, 5 min each.
give it a try, it’s pretty easy.
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How do I do that?
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