Yeah, I agree with you pretty much across the board. I think for me, given I can do most TR workouts on the rollers and have access outside almost all the time, I just always plan accordingly when I need to be outside and not on the rollers. And agreed that mixing it up is good - sometimes seeing if I can hold form on the rollers for a set of intervals even if I miss it by a few watts, and then locking in and not worrying about balancing, just hitting my watts on others. Interesting stuff.
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Thanks Chad - I find it amazing wind can actually affect my 160 lb frame so much as to move my position, but makes sense, super interesting. I do find outside in harder efforts I do adopt a more indoor like position further forward on the seat as well. Also always impressed with your constant replies on here, full of good insights!
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I think the weight shift via wind resistance is very likely, but it is an unproven theory at this time. When I have shared my thoughts with others and had them try the elevated front end on the trainer, most seem to notice a difference. Not everyone does though, so itâs not a perfect solution for everyone.
I would love to have a wind tunnel with the ability to place scales under the front and rear wheels, and maybe the bars and saddle. Measure forces and/or pressure under each with the rider in position with no wind and varied levels of wind, in different positions (Hoods, Tops, Drops, etc.). Maybe I can push for Specialized to cover it in a Win Tunnel test?
Thanks for the props on the comments. I spend too much time here, but love learning and helping when I can 
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You might find this interestingâŚitâs a modified rocking fork stand adapted to the Quick Motion roller.
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Really cool! Where what how?
When I was looking at getting the smart resistance and rocking fork stand for my E-motion rollers, spoke with the owner of Inside Ride about why these are not very common and he sent me this photo. As I understand it, the prototype was going to Elite for evaluation. I donât know if anything ever came of it but if it works like mine you could be in for a treat. I think it even folds down when not in use. He also said Inside Ride was working on a version of the rocking fork that somehow attaches to a Kickr?
Would love something like this. Any chance at some links or email to contact through?
Curious to see this, as the only way that would ârockâ is to move the trainer too. Maybe it is more of a turntable like the Kinetic one, that keeps the bike vertical, but frees the fork to turn more easily?
i used info@insideride.com and got a response. I donât think itâs a very big company.
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No he said the kickr version had 3D motion (forward and side to side) but I didnât see it.
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Looks like it has a pivot axis at the roller, and presumably one at the QR level as well. This would allow the rear wheel to ride up/down the rear rollers, and avoid riding up the rear roller when the rear wheel moves sideways. Depending on how much fore-aft motion they allow, it could also let you go as far as going off the rear roller - and the rest would certainly be interesting to capture on video as the fork stand collapses forward. I assume (hope?) they have built travel limits to prevent this.
That all seems to focus on the one specifically for their rollers?
My comment centers on the one mentioned for the Kickr. It will be different due to the axle mount on the otherwise fixed Kickr trainer design. As the reply to my question says, it looks like they are doing something approaching rocker plate design, based on the amount of movement in play.
My bad - I was looking at the picture above. Thatâs the one I was commenting on.
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I donât think it does any of that. I think itâs just like the rocking fork that fits on the E-motion, which is a solid bridge with a pivot for the steering axis. The rear wheel doesnât really move sideways much as it tilts and if it wants to climb out of the pocket, itâs small enough that you donât notice it. Itâs probably taken up in tire squish? Mine certainly works well and doesnât slip. In fact the fork stand seems to keep the tire hooked up better under heavy loads, especially when standing and leaning farther out over the front wheel. In that respect, you can put out more effort with the stand.
So it seems that Nero replicates outdoor ride feel quite nice since it seems to respond to gradient changes in a natural manner?
Have you tried on TR workouts and how did it functions with different kind of intervals? I guess it should do fine on those long intervals? What about those repeated 5s to 10s interval sessions?
And any idea how accurate is the power reading or itâs better to use your PM and get the Nero to match it?
I havenât used for TR workouts but I have used for Rouvy. Worked well to match the gradiants and screen views.
I use the Nero and I have Favero Assioma pedals displaying on Wahoo. While there is some lag in the Power readings between the Wahoo and the My E Training on power, the wattage displayed is within 2 to 4 watts [up or down] in any given 3 second readings, so close for me.
Due to a change in living circumstances I think I will be better off swapping my Flux S for some rollers. What are the biggest âgotchasâ Iâm likely to encounter? I see the Elite Nero can only handle up to 830W â thatâs fine for TR workouts, but I imagine attempts at Zwift sprints are out 
I havenât gone past about 450 watts so I canât comment. Not on Zwift any longer. I use both Rouvy for competitions and My E Training Real videos and the Nero matches grades well.
Nero can give You 760W/40kph and 1250W/60kph. My best effort was 1010W per 10s sprint. https://www.elite-it.com/uploads/product_category/catalog_box_cta_file_en/1/ELITE_1905_0021_CF_TRAINERS_OVERVIEW_2020_EN_REV02_Web.pdf
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Thanks both. What about tyre usage â do you bother with a trainer tyre? My main reason for swapping is the size of the unit. This looks much more compact for storing between sessions than the Flux, plus not having to swap the wheel off.