Show me a woman – any woman – who can do this:
or this:
And draw a viewership of 1B+
Then come back and educate us all about “UCI pay parity”…
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Oh, please…no one is taking away your rights. This is a private board and the community is free to limit what is in the forum according to the standards of the community.
Your 1A rights pertain to the government censoring your speech, not a private forum.
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Show me a man – any man – who can be or has been the World Championship in three different disciplines at the same time.
But you’re right. I guess the women’s peloton needs to dope more to put on more flashy shows. 
Although I guess we’ll never know because the women’s peloton never gets a full 3 week race, thus ‘Stage 18’ antics are a moot point.
Perhaps the problem isn’t with the transgender or even female population, but instead lies with the ‘old, white male’ population.
But that’s just MY OPINION.
Good thing I won’t be back to this thread to see how it plays out. 
Audi.
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The reason you can’t use the free market economics / viewership numbers here is because there is a disparity in all other aspects of women’s cycling. Less promotion, less opportunity to race etc etc. Therefore it won’t ever catch up, but the pay should still be there so the competition can increase.
And, just to preempt the inevitable “but I only want to watch the best of the best” argument, these women are the best of the best. Cycling tactics are interesting because of the ability of the athletes relative to one another, not because of the overall speed. Otherwise nobody would be a fan of college football. I mean, they’re not the best of the best right?
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Okay. In terms of women’s sports in general, what about WNBA? Twenty-four years is more than enough time to build (a) promotion, (b) opportunity, and (c) time to catch up. And yet, I misspoke earlier. I said WNBA attendance was more or less flat. I was wrong. Last year had the lowest recorded attendance in league history. No woman is going to compete with LeBron or Steph on the basketball court or with their fan base. And you know that 
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I don’t believe anyone would bat an eye if there were women (trans, cis, straight, gay, white, black, brown, pink, or otherwise) who beat Peter Sagan on a sprint, throw a football farther than Patrick Mahomes, or hit a baseball like Mike Trout. And when that day happens, said women will get as much money, attention, and fanbase as their male counterparts. They will fill arenas, have 1B fans in France, and have fans cheering them in the World Series. And rightfully so.
I’m going to go eat my $30 ribeeye now. Have a good night!
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And this is a real pity because women racing is often more exciting than the mens!! The women’s road race in this years Worlds was brilliant to watch!!
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This is not really true though, AVV was 20 seconds off the time Bardet seet off the col de colombiere (col colombiere descent to top of village | Strava Ride Segment in Le Grand Bornand, RA, France), and climbed the col d’Izoard faster than every man in the tour de france that year other than Warren Barguil and Bardet (Annemiek Van Vleuten was so fast up the Izoard that only two Tour de France riders could beat her on Strava | Cycling Weekly).
The idea that the elite woman in professional cycling are not riding fast, pushing their own limits and in immense competition with each other is just not true. They are all phenomenal athletes just like the men’s peloton and they are operating within sub optimal circumstances.
I would wager that you don’t see woman doing this because you don’t watch woman’s procycling.
Regarding your point on the free market, I am just going to leave that alone because I don’t know enough about race and sports promotion and the various factors at play that come into commercial success, other than the problem isn’t that they don’t go fast enough. There are many moving parts and the quality of the racing is not a reason why woman’s cycling isn’t commercially successful as it is consistently more exciting than men’s cycling.
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I don’t want to tread on here too much, because, honestly, I’m not sure where exactly I stand.
But, let me just throw this out - fairness in competition is one value of sport. Sport seeks to promotes lots of values and fairness is important to the quality of the competition, but it’s not the only one. As inclusion becomes more important in society, maybe it’s becoming more important in sport as well…
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Oh, I couldn’t disagree more…watching a 100K solo TT isna snoozefest, IMO (male or female).
What does a biological male competing in women’s sport, have to do with the “old, white male” population, and why are you even bringing age and race into a discussion about gender and sport? Are you implying that only old white men find a problem with that? Because I’m seeing most here also disagree with this being fair, and I don’t think old white males are the core of the TR userbase.
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So just wanted to jump back in for a second.
How about we don’t let captain_doughnutman derail the conversation in this thread. The thread is about Transgender participation in sport, not salaries, if women have 3 week stage races, or people’s choice to identify as a man or a woman. Many have said it too, I support people’s choice to fly whatever flag they want to fly but fairness in competition is a different conversation.
I would also say there are many women that I’ve spoken with that feel the same way as many of the posters on this topic but are often afraid to even talk about it because of the bashing received by people like McKinnon. In general I would say that there is more participation in online threads by men anyway…cause we’re all nerdy losers sitting in front of a computer trying to act all tough and smart 
Anyway, back on topic…
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We can’t have been watching the same race!! Making a solo attack stick from 100km is a truely remarkable ride!! And the chase group behind was good to watch! Chloe Dygart’s heroic effort after her amazing performance in the individual TT!
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Thank you. I think its hard to have these conversations because of people ready to bash anyone who doesn’t agree with their views, whether they be very liberal or conservative views on the topic. Personally I don’t have a problem with people identifying as whatever they want, until it affects other people negatively. And affecting other people negatively does not mean feelings, because feelings don’t matter, so if someone just doesn’t like trans people for instance because being uncomfortable around them, that’s not really good enough to warrant their feelings having priority over those of the person who has gender identity issues, and I do think we have to be a bit more understanding of those people because we don’t know how they feel every day and the suicide rates among trans are high due to lack of acceptance and the mental struggles they face.
However if someone has an unfair advantage, then its not right. I don’t care whether that’s due to doping, or if they have a physical advantage because they are male vs female. That’s not to say that all males are physically stronger/superior to females, I’m sure that’s not the case, but we also don’t know that in this case. McKinnon seems like a stoutly build individual so I can’t rule out that perhaps other competitors don’t have that same muscular structure, and maybe McKinnon does have an advantage. However McKinnon’s attitude of attacking people who don’t agree is just as unacceptable as people who attack McKinnon because they don’t agree with the life choices, and IMO is an indication of lack of character.
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Yup…same race. Snoozefest. 
As a father of two daughters I think it’s complete & utter BS!
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IMHO it depends on how you set the rules: you could go by chromosomes or by testosterone levels. If you go by the latter, I don’t see a problem including transwomen. Most importantly, though, I’d go by whatever the majority of female athletes is in favor of.
Women’s sports is usually at a disadvantage, and often undeservedly so. My dad was the manager of a very successful ice hockey team in the 1980s and public interest was quite small. But it is a chicken-and-egg problem: the events aren’t promoted to the same degree, so they draw smaller crowds and people know less about them.
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Has there been a single incidence of a female to male conversion where the individual has participated in male sports and succeeded? Doesn’t that tell us a lot about this topic in general? Of course RM gets beat by females on occasion, that is meaningless. It is a guarantee that RM performs better in a female competition than he/she would in a male competition. Why is this even questioned? As the father of a daughter, and husband of a former division one basketball player in the US, it is painfully obvious that allowing this does nothing but harm to female sports.
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The UCI rules of 2004 had that stipulation. However, in 2015, they removed that specific standard.