sorry if this is an already answered question. I want to know how much the workout levels improve if you change the approach.
I did the base training in the last months with the recommended setting. Somehow my body responds very well this year and im at 4w/kg after base (normally Im about 4 w/kg at the end of April when I usually end my indoor training).
Thanks and nice greets from Austria!
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I believe the change/adaptation for the next workout is determined by how well you completed the current workout and the post workout survey, and not the approach level.
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That’s correct @JoeX 
Progression Levels are determined by the level of recent workouts an athlete has completed in that power zone and how successfully they completed these workouts. So essentially, your Progression Levels will tell Adaptive Training to adjust future workouts depending on how successfully you are completing them.
For example, say your Sweet Spot Level is a 1.0 and you complete a TR Workout with a SS Level of 1.5. Your Sweet Spot Level will now be a 1.5, which will tell Adaptive Training to recommend workouts at or above this new level. As you complete workouts, your PLs will naturally grow.
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Thanks for all our answers. I think i didnt explain my question right.
What i mean is the adjustment of the training approach in the plan builder (conservative, Balance, aggressive). At the Moment im at the balanced approach. I think i can handle more. How will the Plan Change? Do i have to Do more hours or will the progression levels increase faster?
Thanks!
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Hi again - adjust it and see! Then adjust it back, there is nothing lost when you modify plans.
So the slider scales from Conservative to Aggressive with what looks like five options. The default for me was a 3 (Balanced) and bumping that up to a 4 and then closing/reopening the app changed an upcoming red day to a yellow with suggested adaptation, which makes a lot more sense for how I’m feeling. I’m not brave enough to try it on the max setting (Aggressive/5) but if anyone does I’d be interested to hear what it’s like.
Hi @Caro.Gomez-Villafane I have a question directly relating to this. Say, for example, you do a sweetspot workout and mark it as all out, but you complete it, would your progression level still increase?
What measures does Adaptive Training use to asses how successfully a workout is completed?
@Saddlesaur! Sorry, I was off last week
It would take into account the workout’s data and the Post Workout Survey response.
@JoPage, that would be dependent on what you mark as the reason for the All Out effort.
@Woolftirol, changing the approach will only really affect how aggressive is RLGL when giving you Yellow/Red Days.
As mentioned, Progression Levels only increase as you complete workouts that are Productive (above your current PL levels). If you are following a training plan, this will naturally happen.
Hey, thanks! When you say workout data, what specifically would that be? So far, I’ve completed all workouts in ERG mode, so I would think power data would be the same irrespective of how tough I found them. That leaves, my survey responses, and perhaps HR?
@Saddlesaur that would be power data Even on ERG Mode you have to do the work and be able to hold the prescribed power, so with power data it can determined if you struggled to complete a workout or not. The Post Workout Surveys help reinforce or clarify if you successfully completed a workout or not, and for what reason.
But…with ERG mode on my trainer, the power trace on my workout is essentially perfect and the same whether I find it easy or hard. If it’s supposed to be 150W it’s 150W. If supposed to be 250W, it’s 250W. I don’t see how TR can tell how hard/easy either of those were. HR will certainly give it away, but so far, nobody seems to think adaptive training or AI FTP use HR.
@Saddlesaur The Post-Workout Survey response is what primarily tells AT if the workout was easy/hard for an athlete.
You’re correct that TR/AT sees the power data as it is – if you complete the workout as prescribed, that gets a “pass,” while if you struggle through intervals and have big power dips far below the target, AT will also pick up on that and mark it as “did not pass.”
The Post-Workout Survey is thus valuable because it allows athletes to tell AT directly how difficult the workout felt on that day – even if ERG mode makes the workout seem picture-perfect. Future adaptations can be altered based on those Post-Workout Survey results.
HR is used by AT and AI FTP Detection, but it plays a smaller role. Power data is much more significant when it comes to AT’s functionalities.
@JoPage different workouts have different “expected” survey results depending on their type/zone. Sweet Spot workouts are typically supposed to be “Moderate” or “Hard,” so a survey response of “All Out” would tell AT that that workout was too difficult. As such, the athlete in that case would not see their PLs increase – we’d want to see the RPE of the survey response go down before progressing onto a more difficult session.
We recommend against trying to “game” the survey responses to try to force AT into certain types of progressions, though. Keeping it simple and being honest with how the workout felt on a given day provides AT all of the info it needs to keep you on track.
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