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Thats why I said don’t worry about short/steep! Emphasis steep and short.
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One thing to watch on endurance rides (if you are staying in Zone 2) is to not push to hard on the uphills, and to keep in zone 2, during a endurace (zone 2 ride) you are supposed to keep a constant/constistent pressure
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That’s a good time to try and practice a mild form of “sag” climbing 
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Sure, but I’m in full agreement, with Cam Nicholla, when you are doing a zone 2 endurance ride inside or out you should keep a contant/consitent pressure on the pedals, light on the uphills, spinning more on the downhills, always aiming to keep a constant/consistent pressue on the pedals, reducing the trainer difficulty with some of the routes in zwift makes this achieveable rather than always riding on the flat routes (to get the same effect), he talks about it in this video (4min he starts talking about consistant pressue)
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My dedicated KICKR bike has a single 48T CR and 11-28. So I need to set Trainer Difficulty to like 70% in order to maintain a decent cadence on the 13-15% sections. That works for me on everything, so I just leave it alone. I suppose on a 300+W surge downhill I could get into trouble, spinning out. But the Endurance workouts where I’d turn off ERG won’t have those big watt surges anyway. Just thinking out loud… we’ll see next week when I try this new approach to Endurance workouts. I do my 2 hour workouts up AdZ so I can bag my 25x badge.
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I had to look this up. Thx! I know the concept but never heard the term.
Sag climbing—where a rider positions himself near the front of the peloton at the base and slowly drifts back over the course of the climb—is a great way to crest the climb with the lead bunch but at a lower power output. The idea is simple; unless there’s a time bonus or mountaintop finish, a rider simply needs to summit in the group, not at the front of it. Sag climbing is best done on shorter (and narrower) climbs and in larger groups.
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Yesterday was doing undergears at 75-85% / 100-110rpm and really struggled to keep power down. Definitely have more power control between 75-90rpm, endurance rides on a -5% grades its easier for me to start around 80rpm and let it spin up from there (sometimes hitting 110).
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Not quite sure about this one. For me, using a Wahoo Kickr, if I do a TR workout while just riding a route on Zwift with controllable power enabled, it doesn’t work too great…
In that case Zwift will cause my TR’s ERG to disengage for a few pedal strokes every minute or so. That is very annoying when trying to do steady power!
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Yeah, you definitely don’t want both of them set with each controlling the trainer regardless of which mode you’re riding in.
I might get around things a little easier by having my Favero Assioma’s since I set them as the power meter/cadence in Zwift all the time then just toggle on the Kickr for the controllable device when I want it, then turn the Kickr off completely in TR and use my Assioma’s for power (I have them power matched through the Wahoo app). I don’t have to worry about timing things right about which one gets it first or whatever this way.
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One issue with concurrent Zwift is that during the cool down, it is tempting to switch off ERG and go into race mode LOL. I really need to stick with the program.
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I do the controllable disabled in zwift while running most of my TR workouts and always ride a climb to get credit towards the tron. The only downside is having to watch runners pass you going up ven top at 2mph in your rest intervals. I really wish there was less lead in for the alp so it was doable in an hour and a half workout to get more shots at the wheels. In a normal workout with rest intervals I dont even get close to the top in 90 minutes at my ftp.
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I do the extra same thing.
I also do the same! Having now got the Tron bike I just try and tick off previously uncompleted routes. The Christmas holidays have been a great chance to add on 30ish minutes of Z2 to grab the slightly longer badges 
EDIT: At an FTP of 303W and weighing 74kg I can summit and descend AdZ in a 90 minute workout. I’m currently working towards the 25 summit climbs - at 20 at the moment.
(Wasn’t sure if it was patronising to post this, apologies if it is!)
Yes! And both Tour de Zwift and the Grand Fondo events are coming up. Ride those to your TR Endurance workouts on Resistance mode… just keeping your power close to the TR prescribed levels… but shifting and varying power some at will. Win/win.
At an FTP of 250, I swap out my TR endurance workouts for 2 hr versions, and I get up AdZ and back to the bottom right at 2 hours. Works so well.
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Not at all, that is good info. along with:
So its 300ish actual to get up in an hour going hard.
300ish ftp to get up in 90 in a normal workout.
250ish gets you up in a 2 hour endurance workout.
215 gets you some goals for 2022…
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This is pretty much exactly the setup I want… how did you pair to both your phone and iPad separately?
It takes 3.1 W/kg to ascend the AdZ timed section in 60 mins, if that helps. Not Watt based… it is W/kg based.
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just set your Zwift weight to 45kg, you’ll have it done in half the time
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Since I do both TR and Zwift concurrently, I prefer Strava to reflect my TR workouts. Strava either doesn’t load my Zwift, or if I do get a duplicate upload, I delete the Zwift one.
I’m also doing AdZ often to get that badge… but I don’t know how many times I’ve done it… since my rides aren’t on Strava. Does Zwift keep a running count?
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