Tour de France 2021! (spoilers)

Could you please please start a new thread with your highly scientific Bike Calculator ‘I’m certain he’s doping’ posts.

There’s plenty of people you can engage with on Reddit.

We were talking about the race.

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A little late the party, huh?

Oh yes I think that would be a good idea.
You have two scenarios with the current system. Either the Overall winner snatches it basically accidentally. Or not the best climber gets it.
But that the jersey exists is still great. It adds some live to the earlier parts of a mountain stage. It´s also why you often get such big breakaways. People who want to go for the stage. Some sprinters for the first intermediate sprint (and some time in the bank to loose on the climbs) and the polka-dot contestants.
Overall their is always this issue, that there are so many different competitions in one race. Sometimes with awkward overlap, like GC teams fighting for front positions in sprint stages.
But it´s also what makes it exciting. Not saying we shouldn´t change anything, but it´s also quite exciting as it is.

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Have you heard of the “90 gr. of carbs” per hour crowd? I guess that if they get 90 grams per hour, every hour (even when they are riding relaxed), they can just about keep from bonking, then there are the meals. 90 grams per hour on a 5 hour stage would be about 1700 calories consumed during the stage.

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Sums up my feelings nicely. Gotta be a pity to watch the amazing performances we’ve seen this year and not be excited. I’m just happy to be able to watch and experience an awesome talent .

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That sounds like so little. According to Strava Thomas de Gendt burned just over 5000 kcal on yesterdays stage. that leaves him with a deficit of 3000-3500 kcal. Truly bananas what the body is capable of.

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That’s just GC with extra steps.

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I feel bad for you then.

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You sound like you’re fun at parties.

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Where have I heard that before?

Ah, yes…

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Nope, just people who like to enjoy sport rather than have everything ruined by unfounded skepticism.

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Sorry people. but would you mind moving this discussion to the other thread? Much appreciated :slightly_smiling_face:

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There is a new discussion thread for this.

Please discuss this here :point_down:t2:

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I was a few days back. Glad we can clean this thread up a bit.

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I quite enjoy watching cycling, thanks.

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I think you got it exactly backwards, as evidenced by the multiple sprinters that can’t finish a stage on time or need 2 team mates to pace them so they can barely make the time cut.

That being said, I do agree that being able to race multiple disciplines is more fun.

Let´s not forget That Pog won Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Bernal got 3rd in Strade Bianche. The times of hyperfocus on GC (ala Froome) seem to be over!

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you say it’s too little, but bear in mind that this is a third of the consumed calories during the stage. If they have the same rates of fat vs carb consumption at a given percentage of FTP, but such a higher FTP, it could be the case that they get more energy from glycogen stores and fat than we would think.

For someone who can consume 1500-1700 calories during the riding, and who has a basal metabolic rate of perhaps 3000 calories (it is that hight due to the daily hard exercise), that would mean about 7-8000 calories to be consumed. If you distribute it among breakfast, pre-race meal, post race meal, dinner, etc… I think it is doable, if a bit tiring. I guess that they are sipping recovery drinks all the time, snacking regularly, and that may take some of the volume off the main meals.

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I agree with you that the sprinters and the GC riders are two sides of the same coin.

I wish Bernal had been interested/able to keep going on the mountain bike side while pursuing GC. He would certainly be in the mix in XCO these days.

This is from 2015: US Cup - Bonelli Park + UCI Junior Series XCO / US Cup - MTBCrossCountry

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With so many sprinters out, I wonder if there just won’t be enough teams that want to chase the breaks on the “flat” stages coming up. Paris might be the only bunch sprint left. Just like there was a time when nobody wanted to do the work to bring Sagan to the line, I think DQS will get no help until Paris. So, I think 35 is not going to happen. Maybe 33 will be it.