Strava Sues Garmin

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I think this issue and others are due to Strava being VC funded, and as part of that they have investors waiting for a (big) return. Being a moderately profitable ongoing concern does not repay the $180 million they raised (according to ChatGPT :slight_smile: )

They will be pressed from the “money” side of the business to do something to get big returns. There were some mentions of them working towards going public, so their API move last year and this could be part of trying to “look their best” financially in the lead up to that.

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Even Wahoo users, like me, have been scouring the interwebs for ways to get our Wahoo devices into the Garmin Connect ecosystem - - positioning for a Strava-free future.

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I’m trying to break away from Strava, but I’ve run into a roadblock.

Intervals.icu is most important to me, which works great through Dropbox, but I’d like to get Apple Health integration without Strava. Problem is, I run TrainerRoad on an Android phone, and doesn’t sync activity to Apple Health at all.

Is the issue the activity has to be completed on an iPhone to sync? Please advise.

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Set up TrainerRoad to upload the FIT file to Dropbox, then use the HealthFit app to import it into Apple Health. It’s a manual process, but if you have the Dropbox app in your iPhone, it only takes a few taps.

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Run Gap has been my primary activity aggregator for TR/Wahoo/Apple for a while, but they don’t sync directly with TR. as of now I’m still going TR>Strava>Run Gap, but I’ll probably look at some other options.

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You own a hard drive. Connect it to a computer, extract the files, upload.

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Yep you’re 100% correct - I’m wrong … my excuse is I’m getting old :joy:

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True, but you can have Garmin Connect account without owning a Garmin device. Thus they could still access the event info and grab the matching fit file.

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you can have Garmin Connect account without owning a Garmin device.

I spent a little time looking over the Android options as RunGap seems to be iOS only. This was to send (push) my Wahoo Elemnt data to Garmin Connect.

I found “SyncMyTracks” in the Google Play Store, for about $3.75. It doesn’t do it automatically, but it’s just one keypress on your phone.

My motivation was that my cycling circle seems to prefer Connect over Strava. I would sometimes miss communication updates and posted routes. I expect that the side benefit will be that, down the line, it will be easier to remove the dependence upon Strava.

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Is that genuine?

I honestly cannot believe they would post that after what happened with their recent assault on data collectors

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So basically Strava tried to claim “Our Data” as “Strava Data” and Garmin said no way “Our Data” is “Garmin Data” and now Strava is saying that they are sueing Garmin over something unrelated in order to protect “Our Data” as “Our Data” because its ours.

Did i miss anything?

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Personally I think this all comes down to training AI models.

Strava made a big thing about ensuring Strava data could not be used to train 3rd party AI models seemingly forgetting that the vast majority of Strava’s data comes from other sources. They’re probably scared of Garmin putting the same stipulations in place as they start to compete with each other in the AI training space - especially with Strava’s acquisition of Runna.

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It’s got some sort of tag that seems to indicate it is. Also the post history seems to be all announcements and support stuff, but it’s only 4 months old so who knows but points to yes.

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RWGPS is well set up for all of this, you can have a club page with events/routes/etc. As far as I know it also syncs with all types of device.

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For what it’s worth, if you have the FIT file in your phone (which should be easy if you tell Wahoo and TrainerRoad to upload it to Dropbox) you can manually upload it to Garmin Connect from the web version. The app doesn’t have an option to upload the FIT file, but the website does:

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I primarily use Strava to keep up with what rides my friends are doing. Sometimes it’s interesting to see if I PR’ed on some segment I wasn’t aware of. But not exactly critical.

But RWGPS added segments at some point and I use it more to find routes. So there’s not big reasons to stick with Strava. It’s a bit annoying that every couple of years Strava decides to do things to annoy its user base

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I agree, having the bundles was great but removing them made me not want to pay for stuff I didn’t need. I’d bet I wasn’t the only one to loose a specific feature over the last few years.

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I sure much to the disappointment of my 12 or so followers, I have disconnected all my apps from Strava (Garmin, Rouvy, and intervals) and unfollowed everyone. Strava needs our data more than I need a judo or two.

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In a run-up to a potential IPO, I’d bet Strava is trying to boost revenue to show growth, under pressure from PE investors to monetize their massive user base. I’d bet their management team brainstormed all the potential levers they could pull to move the needle, and lawsuits to generate royalty payments (from companies like Garmin) was one of the things they came up with.

I wish they’d invest more energy on innovating their product to deliver new features customers want. They have a good core platform. Seems like they are struggling to identify ways to make it more valuable for customers, and are pulling stunts like this because of a possible IPO.

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No doubt.

And you must assume that all your private data will be for sale as well as a new revenue stream.

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