Simultaneously running FulGaz and TR

Xert’s new (in beta at the moment) player does this very thing. You can run the erg workout whilst having it overlaid on any youtube video. It’s excellent. You can decouple the charts/readings and move them about to any screen location you want.

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FUlGaz has their workouts as well, but I’m dreaming that TR workouts would be the ones on there :stuck_out_tongue:

I finally got this set up and it worked really well. At the start I thought it was broken. The FulGaz route had a 19% start and I was doing a warm up so I was doing 4mph :slight_smile:

I decided to use Silverstone as a test, as one it had laps and two it is pretty flat. It worked perfectly. Thanks for all the help.

How long would you expect the CABLE battery to last? I haven’t used it for a few weeks and now it is not working. I assume it is just flat. I set it up about 8 weeks ago. That doesn’t seem very long.

Hi.

I have used Fulgaz quite a bit. I am planning to use TR. I have the same need to run Fulgaz while doing TR workouts. Were you able to figure this out? It appears that there is a setting in Fulgaz called passive mode. Please share if you had any success with the use of that setting?

Appreciate your response.

Stay safe.

Regards.
Sathya

I have got it working using the new V4 release.

Good news for TrainerRoad users. I have successfully got a TR workout going and a FulGaz ride running in reactive mode in the background. Windows 10, FulGaz 4 and ant and BT connections. I used a Kickr.

Start TR up and use an ant+ connection to start a workout. Disable BT in TR.
Start FulGaz and in settings/advanced trainer settings tick the power match option. Restart FulGaz.

Start a ride in FulGaz after connecting with BT to the Kickr, with the option that doesn’t control the trainer. Use reactive mode.

FulGaz defaults to full screen and the minimised TR workout display doesn’t show over that so reduce the FulGaz screen from full size and the TR display shows over the ride. I will probably not show theFulgaz cadence and power but use the TR one instead.

BT and Ant could be swapped around but this is the way I tested it.

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Hi John,

Thanks for the response and the input.

Regards,
Sathya

Hi there. Sounds promising . What set up are you using? iPad / iPhone iMac / Windows??

Do you know how to exit Fullscreen in Fulgaz? The typical alt+enter doesn’t work on my pc for some reason, so whilst running TR and FG simultaneously works, I need the TR overlay to do the workout properly (and not get surprised by a 120% FTP wall)…

I move my mouse up to the top of the screen and then right click a couple of times and then the FulGaz window gets the minimise or make smaller option. It is a bit messy but it does work (eventually)

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John, not sure if I understand, but let me take a stab. I usually run TR on my Windows laptop and watch a TV show/movie on Ipad. If I understand, I could get an ANT+ dongle for laptop and run TR without BT and run then run FulGaz on my Ipad connected to Kickr, using Bluetooth in reactive mode. Then my speed on the FulGaz course would be determined by my watts/cadence on TR? I’d like to mirror the FulGaz video from my Ipad onto my large TV. My Apple TV is older version and I can’t install FulGaz as an app on Apple TV.

Yes, all that will work.
I used to use a laptop with ant dongle to run TR with trainer control selected. I used a Kickr which has both ant and BT outputs
Then my iPad used to connect to FulGaz via BT. I had a Apple HDMI adapter to show FulGaz on a large TV. Trainer control was not selected on FulGaz. Then I would ride a TR workout with the FulGaz ride in reactive mode.

My set up has changed now. I have a Wattbike which also produces ant and BT. I also have an Apple TV, latest version.

I connect TR via BT to my IPad. I also bought a NPE cable adapter. This converts the WB Ant signal to BT. I then connect the cable adapter to Fulgaz but don’t have FulGaz controlling the trainer.

Where I have used FulGaz above then equally Zwift can be used.

I also could connect Ipad to Cable and FulGaz to Wattbike.

I hope that helps.

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Just wondering if anybody has got this setup working - both Fulgaz and TR on a MAC - Kickr connecting to FulGaz by BT (as that’s the only option) and TR by ANT+ dongle (TR as the Kickr Controller) - I can then mirror the MAC screen via HDMI to the large TV - I think in theory this should work and will dive in to both camps if a positive response (and away from SYSTM), cheers

Got this going this morning - nothing like playing with apps settings at 5:30 am. First attempt was everything on my PC; I couldn’t get FulGaz to find my Assioma pedals, so I let the trainer be the power source. I couldn’t find how to run FulGaz in window mode either (like Zwift and unlike streaming apps, it will not allow an overlay window on top). Ended up running TR on my iPad, an ok compromise.

Now that I found in this thread how to window FulGaz, I’ll give it a second shot tomorrow.

Easiest option is simply to run Fulgaz in steady mode - no devices connected then simply do your workout on TR. Most workouts on Fulgaz in Erg mode must be run in steady mode in any case…

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Hi mate how did you manage to make it work. I have TR on laptop via Ant+ and Fulgaz via BT on AppleTV but Fulgaz keeps fighting TR despite the “controllable” tab left blank in settings.

It worked fine for me. Mine were both Bluetooth. I was using the CABLE dongle to take the Ant+ from the bike and convert it to Bluetooth. The native Bluetooth went to the iPad. Sorry not much help. Fulgaz support is really good though, I would ask them.

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FYI, this approach worked great in case it helps anyone in the future:

  • Fulgaz in Steady Mode on Apple TV, getting power/cadence from Wahoo Bike Shift (but not controlled by the Shift)
  • TrainerRoad ERG workouts on iPad controlling the Bike Shift
  • Garmin 955 broadcasting HR

The whole thing couldn’t have taken more than 60 seconds to set up thanks to the glory of multichannel bluetooth broadcast. That feature really is a game changer in simplifying everything.

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Here is what my fellow assistant ChatGPT told me to do:

Yes, you can use both TrainerRoad and FulGaz simultaneously to achieve your goal of following a TrainerRoad workout while riding a course in FulGaz, provided you have the right setup and configure your devices properly. Here’s how to do it:

Hardware Requirements:

Wahoo Kickr (Smart Trainer)

Power Meter (on your bike)

ANT+ dongle (for your computer, if using a desktop)

Two devices (such as a tablet, phone, or laptop for running both apps)

Setup Instructions:

  1. Power Meter Configuration:

TrainerRoad: Configure TrainerRoad to read power data from your bike’s power meter rather than your Wahoo Kickr. This ensures that TrainerRoad controls your workout based on your power meter readings (for more accurate data) while using the Kickr for resistance control.

FulGaz: Connect FulGaz to your Wahoo Kickr and set it to “passive mode” or “power match mode”. This mode allows FulGaz to display the terrain and course visuals while receiving power readings from the Kickr, but without changing the resistance (which is controlled by TrainerRoad).

  1. TrainerRoad Control:

• Use TrainerRoad to control the resistance on your Wahoo Kickr based on the workout you’ve chosen. TrainerRoad will adjust the resistance to match your target power output, which you’ll push in line with the workout.

  1. FulGaz Setup:

• Launch FulGaz on your other device and select the course you’d like to ride. FulGaz will display the terrain and the speed at which you would be riding, given the power you’re putting out during the TrainerRoad workout.

• Make sure to enable FulGaz’s “virtual speed” setting to approximate your progress through the course based on your current wattage.

  1. Dual-Recording (Optional):

• You can use a dual recording setup if you wish to log power data from both TrainerRoad and FulGaz independently. FulGaz will display your virtual ride progress while TrainerRoad handles the workout and records the metrics for your structured session.

Tips for Efficiency:

ANT+/Bluetooth: Use ANT+ to connect your power meter to both apps at the same time. TrainerRoad and FulGaz should each be set to receive data from different sensors (power meter to TrainerRoad and Kickr to FulGaz) to avoid conflicts.

ERG Mode: If you want TrainerRoad to automatically adjust the resistance to match the workout’s target power, make sure that ERG mode is enabled in TrainerRoad.

Key Considerations:

Approximate Time: FulGaz will simulate your progress through the course based on the power you’re pushing, but this is an estimate since the actual speed may vary slightly depending on factors such as terrain changes, virtual rider weight, and real-world variations in trainer response.

By following this setup, you can do your structured TrainerRoad workout while visually riding through a FulGaz course at the watts you’re generating, offering a more engaging and immersive training experience!