I just realized the power zones are gone from completed workouts. Man, that’s a bummer. I really liked being able to see where my power numbers were for each zone when my FTP changed.
A lot of stuff has moved in this update - are they still available somewhere that I’ve missed?
There’s a tabbed interface (beneath the AI Predicted Difficulty & Workout Levels) for: Power Records // Power Zones // Intervals
Thank you! I did (of course) miss it.
Cue the old song “Ch-ch-changes (turn and face the strain) ch-ch-changes”
I dont want to sound like im just agreeing with @Jonathan buts YES this just works. I love it, feel like even todays session would have been hard to very hard with risk of being to long but no it was just right. Finished very happy and in control. Don’t worry or think just do. Big fan of TrainerRoad pre AI, but it has just got better. Keep up the good work !!!
Just wanted to drop some quick feedback on the updated AI model.
I was in the beta for about a week before it fully rolled out, and since then the workouts have just felt… better. VO2 sessions are properly hard again (not “kind of hard”), and threshold workouts now feel bang on instead of being either a bit soft or slightly too much.
The numbers are moving in the right direction too. My FTP has gone from the high-270s into the high-280s, with AI FTP currently pointing towards around 305 W by mid-February. More importantly, it’s showing up outside, on a fast club spin recently I was riding at the front and putting others under pressure for a change, which honestly hasn’t happened for me in a good three years.
On paper the changes might look small, but on the bike they really don’t feel that way. I’m genuinely loving the new model and I’m excited to see where it goes over the summer, especially when my A race comes around.
My experience so far is questioning does this really make sense.
FTP increased over 6%. First workout was sweet spot that looked challenging. I took a similar workout and completed it. The projection then dropped my FTP projection to be a 1 watt increase instead of the 16 watts it was predicting. This really was a function of the projected workouts just being too much. I didnt see them as ones I could do given the bump in FTP.
A few more workouts done. Workouts are getting closer to being reasonable but still the system hasnt really been working as I would expect. Tomorrows sweet spot looks fine but here are the alternates it offers
it doesnt make sense to give me alternates you dont want me to do.
The other part is why give me a schedule of workouts with no real change in the predicted FTP. Are we just too high on the current FTP and I really shouldnt of been increased by 6%?
Hopefully it learns as I use it.
I am getting the same issue today with my sweet spot workout for tomorrow.
I had thought maybe it was because I looked at it yesterday after riding and maybe it thought I was trying to schedule for later. But still getting it today.
I thought maybe it was 90 minute high 5s issue. But there are other workouts near it.
This seems to be an ongoing situation. What is the point of alternatives if they are not recommended.
I have a couple questions I haven’t seen an answer for. Curious if anyone knows (and sorry if they’ve been covered and I missed them).
Thanks for any help!
Hi since the update I’ve started getting duplicate Zwift and trainer road rides on my trainer road app. It’s counting as I’ve done the ride twice whereas before it would only show TR ride.This didn’t happen before the new ai update. How do I solve so I only get 1 ride? I’d like to keep Zwift connection just in case I do a group ride etc.
My set up for 99% for my rides is doing the trainer road workout on the app, connected in erg to the trainer and then just free ride on Zwift. I prefer this to doing workout in Zwift.
For the strength training question, the AI looks at training load (including strength) and adjusts your future workout based on it. Personally I did a strength workout (and a run) on Sunday, which was a yellow day. The AI made my Monday workout easier in response and I lost a watt off my predicted FTP.
I don’t expect (I don’t know) that strength training will ever make your predicted FTP go up, but we know that strength training can be beneficial both on and off the bike. So, I wouldn’t worry about it and you’ll get the gains you deserve.
I am dubious about uploading strength workouts. I think TR will have a hissy fit and add even more yellow to my plan. Although for some reason they go to Strava from Hevy but don’t get uploaded to TR. Not sure why. Normal biking activities do go across as normal.
If I’m not training for a specific event and just riding a couple times a week (indoor and outdoor) to maintain fitness, is there anything I should do to optimize the Train Now option with the new AI integration? It seems odd that Career and Train Now suggest very different workouts when I don’t have a goal or training plan in the system.
Keep up the great work! Love the product and am impressed that you continue to innovate.
It doesn’t estimate ramp test or 20-minute test results, but instead calibrates to the wattage you can do in a workout (simplifying here).
Fitness test results can fluctuate. Certain athletes excel at certain tests, lactate values vary, and how an athlete has trained can influence their performance in 20, 30, 40, 60, etc. minute tests.
What matters the most is what the best value is for an athlete to get the most productive training. That’s the biggest reason that FTP was created.
That’s why this model is different. We care less about how you’d perform in a ramp or 20-minute test and more about how productive/successful your training would be at a given figure.
Thanks for the feedback!
Not necessarily, because each training zone is unique for each athlete.
Your Threshold workouts might be spot on, but maybe you really excel at Sweet Spot, so in some cases, the best sweet spot workout for you might be one that’s longer than what you have scheduled. In those cases, we’ll recommend those just in case you have the time to ride longer and do a slightly more productive workout..
Raising your FTP would change all of your workouts and we don’t think that’s always necessary. Sometimes you’re just able to do a bit more in a specific zone.
Just wanted to share some appreciation for the TR team after the broader rollout. I was one of the vocal folks in the beta thread regarding FTP changes, but I’ve come around.
I was added to the beta on Jan 1 and am almost a full month in now, with a complete training block behind me. My experience has been that once you get past the instinct to constantly worry about shifts in predicted FTP and instead trust the system and recommendations (making rare adjustments rather than daily reactions) it really starts to click.
All but one recommended workout has felt appropriately hard, right where I needed it for the given zone. The one I failed genuinely stumped me, but I’m chalking that up to a rare off-day rather than a system issue.
My encouragement to others: commit to giving it an honest shot for at least a month. I think many users will find that once they stop fighting the model and start working with it, it delivers exactly what most of us want… productive, well-paced training that fits what you can handle.
@brenth @LacticacidMCB Those “Not Recommended” alternates are part of a bug. I think it’s just a visual issue.
In terms of predicted FTP, that depends a lot on the training plan you have in place, your training approach, etc.
More isn’t always better, and we’ll predict an FTP that includes overtraining, fatigue, etc.
Any advice for managing general fitness vs a races ? I usually do triathlon but I’ve no race right now, the workout of the days are usually an hour but then the AI one in the workout library is different. It seems like i need to to be on a ola to get value for the ai workouts ?
I’ll echo this. I’ve been on the beta for almost a month. It initially gave me an Ai ftp that was 15 watts higher than my current one, and I was super skeptical of that especially early ish in base season. Usually I hit that number more to the end of winter. I decided to just go with it, and haven’t failed a workout since. Now I’m back to doing the same PLs I was in December, but 15+ watts higher on everything.
I do a lot of swapping workouts and doing alternates that are longer/shorter or slightly different styles than what it’s initially recommended. But in all those instances the RPE has been pretty much bang on.
So from my perspective I think the starting point for my ftp is wrong. It is too high.
So the predictive may even be right. Yes I get it is predictive but at this point the workouts generate an amount of watts that is 10-15 watts above what I was previously riding in sweet spot. My workouts are now at my old FTP for sweet spot. Thursdays workout is threshold. This will definitely above my old FTP. I am on a low volume plan with a balanced approach. Everything points to too high an FTP.
At this point I will reach out to support as the current system feels wrong for me.
