New Strava Route Builder?

Since it’s OSM based then you, yes you hanging around at the back of the class, you!, can make the changes yourself. Just create an OSM account then edit accordingly. Obviously be mature about it - upgrading someone’s private driveway to a public road isn’t clever.

The next time Strava (or Komoot, Garmin, TomTom or whoever) pull the base data and regenerate the maps then the changes will appear.

Edit: the OSM map editor takes a bit of getting used to but there’s a lot of complexity to deal with and it’s international in scope so some of the options may not make sense in your locale. There’s a help wiki for each classification you can modify.

@CatCryRides - that error looks like the track has been marked private for all vehicles but it then needs marking public for cyclists, horses and foot traffic. (OSM markup works from the general to the specific. In this case you restrict everything then allow those classes of traffic required. This is sort of opposite to how we’d say it: “The road is open to pedestrians, cyclists and horses only”, OSM would say: “This road is closed except for pedestrians, cyclists and horses”)


Thanks for the detailed info on OSM and mapping in general! That’s good to know

One thing that would be cool for Strava routes is a pacing plan. I’m not sure how the estimated time is worked in to the route specifically, but say i have a 4 hour route planned. It would be neat to click on a point on the map and have strava tell me “1:45” so I know to get the route completed in 4 hours, I need to be at that location by 1hr 45mins. I know this can be done by math :joy: as well as many other ways, but with lots of big hill climbs, it would be cool to see. Overall I’d say i’m pretty impressed with the “revamped” map of Strava.

Awesome :sunglasses:
That is actually some great functionality ! :+1:

Someone should consider pinning this thread as a tutorial - I’m a paid member of Strava and have been since day 1 - the hints and tips on this thread have been super helpful

:grin: :grin:

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OK specific example here Strava new vs Komoot for surface type

OpenStreetMaps - The Goat Track, Brisbane. Tagged for years as gravel, SurfaceType=2 (Solid but unpaved.)

Komoot - 85% unpaved, 15% paved - correct there is a paved section at the bottom

Strava new - 100% paved

How can they claim to be using the same source data from OSM?

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I believe it is not directly from OSM. If you notice since the departure from Google Maps, the maps have a “Mapbox Open Street Map” credit in the bottom right. Mapbox is providing the service to Strava using OSM source. No telling how often the Mapbox versions get updated and/or what they allow for updates. For example, if you make an edit on OSM. It may take a while if ever before it shows up on Mapbox/Strava. This would explain your Goat Track example. :man_shrugging:

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I suspected something along the same lines. For whatever reason the changes coming through mapbox can be very slow. I’ve seen complaints from others on facebook that major highways built 5+ yrs ago are missing in the mapbox maps. So Strava support simply saying ‘It’s OSMs problem’ is somewhat dishonest.

I’m not gotten into the weeds, but I agree here. I would like to be able to see a turn-by-turn list and insert new location/destinations in between existing route points–like google maps lets you do.

Strava bases estimated time on your past 4 week average speed. If you want a better estimated time, Best Bike Split is probably your answer. It would be awesome if Strava incorporated something like BBS in their route builder.

“Your estimated moving time for a route is calculated by your 4-week average speed or pace. On your profile, you’ll see your average distance per week and your average time per week based on your last 4 weeks of activities. We take that average to estimate your moving time for the route. If you share the route, the estimated moving time will be adjusted based on the viewer’s profile stats.”

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Which is rubbish, most of my rides have been indoors this year with no speed/distance data so when I create a Strava route for 30 miles it estimates I’m gonna take something like 14 hrs to complete it!:scream:

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Agree. It would be better if you could just type in a mph and get an answer or just use really world outdoor data. I know the speed I can typically hold for a certain distance and elevation. I don’t want to do the maths to work out how long it will take.

I’m going to be spending quite a bit of time in the future on the road in our RV exploring New Zealand.

I’ll have my road bike in the boot (and maybe the MTB too) and would like to get out for a ride when the opportunity arises (read leave pass given).

I’m trying to think how to avoid the wheelspin of spending a whole lot of time trying to work out a route to ride in places I don’t know well… How useful is Strava Route Builder to quickly identify a well trodden route used by local riders using the Heatmap functionality? Ideally i would like to just choose a time I have available and it comes up with route options to consider.

If not Strava Premium Route Builder, then what do people use and recommend?

Can’t comment on NZ but having moved to a new country last year, I’ve found the heat maps pretty useful to identify routes and then double checking with Google street view to make sure I’m not heading somewhere totally unsuitable. Particularly useful for finding routes through busier towns where there are no easy ways around. Not so keen on the automated route creation but it gives some possibilities if you’re willing to spend the time editing the route to your own preferences.

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