In OSM you can tag the road surface. For example gravel, tracktype=grade2 (Solid but unpaved.) Key:tracktype - OpenStreetMap Wiki
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Just looked at komoot and can you already find pre made or routes people have done already like rwgps can? On the mobile app and maybe missing something.
Thanks and probably just did not see any in the area I was searching. I have always used rwgps to get local routes as they are really easy to download with the ciq to my garmin.
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Did the same check yesterday - it’s very European now, with a high density of routes there, but quite limited in Canada, for example. There was a selection of bike and run routes around me, but not a lot, and most from just a few users.
The estimated time is based on your past rides, I forget the exact formula. On z2 rides (1-3 hours) I’ve found the estimated time to be within a few minutes.
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I submitted to Strava support about incorrect or unknown surface data and received the following response:
Pretty cool that I received a pretty quick response. (less than 24hr)
You can expect the same issues from komoot, they also use OSM as their data source (including surface data).
Got the free 60 trial days and am giving this a shot. Unfortunately, the paved route and popular tarmac area I mentioned earlier still isn’t able to be routed over. I guess this must be an OSM error or something… Here’s a pic of my dragging the waypoint onto the heatmap zone, but Strava still won’t allow it. There’s a real-life road block and that’s where Strava ends. But the road block says “Bikes, Runners, and Horses OK” 
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Even shows a segment on the road, but doesn’t let me draw on it 
You can always switch to manual mode if you know there is a road there. I do that sometimes when I have the same issue. Distance may be off a touch but it works.
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For sure, that’s always an option.
The problem is this road is part of a huge percentage of my routes, so every time I go and create a new route, I have to manually work it out. RWGPS, MapMyRide, and Komoot all recognize the road so it saves tons of creation time. Makes Strava seem extremely slow
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Since it’s OSM based then you, yes you hanging around at the back of the class, you!, can make the changes yourself. Just create an OSM account then edit accordingly. Obviously be mature about it - upgrading someone’s private driveway to a public road isn’t clever.
The next time Strava (or Komoot, Garmin, TomTom or whoever) pull the base data and regenerate the maps then the changes will appear.
Edit: the OSM map editor takes a bit of getting used to but there’s a lot of complexity to deal with and it’s international in scope so some of the options may not make sense in your locale. There’s a help wiki for each classification you can modify.
@CatCryRides - that error looks like the track has been marked private for all vehicles but it then needs marking public for cyclists, horses and foot traffic. (OSM markup works from the general to the specific. In this case you restrict everything then allow those classes of traffic required. This is sort of opposite to how we’d say it: “The road is open to pedestrians, cyclists and horses only”, OSM would say: “This road is closed except for pedestrians, cyclists and horses”)
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Thanks for the detailed info on OSM and mapping in general! That’s good to know
One thing that would be cool for Strava routes is a pacing plan. I’m not sure how the estimated time is worked in to the route specifically, but say i have a 4 hour route planned. It would be neat to click on a point on the map and have strava tell me “1:45” so I know to get the route completed in 4 hours, I need to be at that location by 1hr 45mins. I know this can be done by math as well as many other ways, but with lots of big hill climbs, it would be cool to see. Overall I’d say i’m pretty impressed with the “revamped” map of Strava.
Awesome 
That is actually some great functionality ! 
Someone should consider pinning this thread as a tutorial - I’m a paid member of Strava and have been since day 1 - the hints and tips on this thread have been super helpful
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OK specific example here Strava new vs Komoot for surface type
OpenStreetMaps - The Goat Track, Brisbane. Tagged for years as gravel, SurfaceType=2 (Solid but unpaved.) Way: The Goat Track (28721487) | OpenStreetMap
Komoot - 85% unpaved, 15% paved - correct there is a paved section at the bottom
Strava new - 100% paved
How can they claim to be using the same source data from OSM?
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I believe it is not directly from OSM. If you notice since the departure from Google Maps, the maps have a “Mapbox Open Street Map” credit in the bottom right. Mapbox is providing the service to Strava using OSM source. No telling how often the Mapbox versions get updated and/or what they allow for updates. For example, if you make an edit on OSM. It may take a while if ever before it shows up on Mapbox/Strava. This would explain your Goat Track example. 
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I suspected something along the same lines. For whatever reason the changes coming through mapbox can be very slow. I’ve seen complaints from others on facebook that major highways built 5+ yrs ago are missing in the mapbox maps. So Strava support simply saying ‘It’s OSMs problem’ is somewhat dishonest.
I’m not gotten into the weeds, but I agree here. I would like to be able to see a turn-by-turn list and insert new location/destinations in between existing route points–like google maps lets you do.
Strava bases estimated time on your past 4 week average speed. If you want a better estimated time, Best Bike Split is probably your answer. It would be awesome if Strava incorporated something like BBS in their route builder.
“Your estimated moving time for a route is calculated by your 4-week average speed or pace. On your profile, you’ll see your average distance per week and your average time per week based on your last 4 weeks of activities. We take that average to estimate your moving time for the route. If you share the route, the estimated moving time will be adjusted based on the viewer’s profile stats.”
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