Metrics on new AI FTP Detection + TrainerRoad AI

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Thank you for the input, @Jonathan

@Jonathan

Our forum users are usually our toughest critics

And biggest promoters! Devotion is a double-edged sword.

Thank you for the analysis of Bones’s January. I’m not going to say “do mine” because I already did it at length here:

Any downside to manual FTP adjustment with the new AI system?

@eddie More than happy to cooperate. Let’s get a few things out of the way first: I’m not an isolated case, please take a look at @Rizzi ‘s post: Secondly, here’s a little poll with the training approaches of some of the people in this thread that might be concerned: Doesn’t look like we’re “asking for it” due to aggressiveness of approach. Lastly, I know full well that I can manually set my FTP to what I believe is a realistic value and get good training. That’s how I progressed last ye…

So, if you need to see failed workouts to be convinced, you’re welcome to have a look at my calendar. I can follow up on my analysis on Reinstein-2 done in the linked post with an example from 05.02 - my last OU workout done with manual FTP setting - Emerson-2. The OU watts (Emerson-2 335/371) are mostly the same (Reinstein-2 337/373), but the duration of the OU block on Emerson in 10min vs the 12min on Reinstein. So I finished an objectively easier workout, rating it very hard, after an extra 10 days of training, meaning that I was always expected to fail the Reinstein-2 10 days prior. I’ve since looked at HR data, too, (before and after the new AIFTP) which strengthened my conviction that the AIFTP is messing up my zones.

It turns out that I am just too sensitive to intensity. Other people manage to complete such workouts, but that does not mean that they are appropriate. 10 or 12 minutes at threshold is supposed to be achievable, but varying the intensity within the interval does not make it an OU automatically, if there’s no semblance of recovery, yet it doesn’t necessarily make it a failed workout, too. Just renders it inappropriate in my opinion.

All being said, I understand that I’m in the minority, but unlike Bones, I’m not willing to crash and burn with the new AIFTP for the sake of science (I was for one training block, now I’m out of time). Using manual FTP is a solution, but I’d like it to be a short-term one. The minority of users thinking that the new AIFTP is too high and is rendering their workouts too intense is not negligible as per Rizzi’s poll:

Relation between TR AI FTP and 60 min power

The nicer one stop option (with a simple overview) for your post might have been some polls like: poll poll poll poll

I still believe there’s improvement to be made in these cases and I’m willing to bet my house that you, yourself, would’ve told me “your workouts are too intense, maybe you need to reduce your FTP” if I had sent my January 2026 training block to the AACC podcast back in Jan 2025, complaining about failed workouts.