I’m still not clear on what it would be that we’d be opting out of. Several people have said that if you don’t opt out you’d be paying the current rate, but then you’ve mentioned paying an extra $5/month. So is the default that you’d pay the current rate (which would be more than $5 more for some subscribers)? Or that you’d pay $5/month more than your current rate? And would whichever it is then become a new fixed rate, or would it be subject to future increases?
Also, is this a one-time only deal, or would we have the option to opt in at a future date (say, once certain economic uncertainties have worked themselves through a bit…)?
What a complete mess - I am a little confused also but here is what I am interpreting from Nate.
“He is giving legacy users another year of legacy pricing where they intend to roll out all the new features, he’s wagering that all the new features are going to be so useful and great that in say 2024 when he comes back and says okay now legacy pricing is dead that users are going to just suck it up and pay the difference because the new features are really that great/useful”
That is 100% how I am interpreting this, inevitably true legacy pricing will parish at some point.
My read is that the only thing you are opting out of is a price increase. The wording may seem weird…why wouldn’t you opt out of a price increase. But it gives legacy price users the option to decide if they can afford to give TR more money. As far as I can tell, you are not opting out of any product functionality.
I think it’s important to understand that there are no official TR announcements about this. Nate has said (pretty clearly, imo) what he plans to do, but there are no official announcements. I think TR knows what it’s doing well enough to roll this out in clear way with their support staff all trained up on how to answer our many, many questions and frustrations. But for now, unless I’ve missed some huge announcement, things are as they have always been, and we won’t know for sure what the future holds until we get there.
Or you could choose to ditch the loyalty pricing and pay the going rate for new subs. That’s what shakes out to ~$5/month extra.
This is the plan. It’s what Nate has said repeatedly in this thread. He’s super reluctant to ditch some sort of loyalty pricing, mostly because, it seems, he’s a man of his word and he made a promise. Business being what it is, this might go away sometime, but it seems they’re going to do everything they can to push that day far into the future.
You won’t automatically get (only) another year of legacy pricing. You will be moved to full price, but can opt out if you want to keep your existing legacy price. No current or future features will be unavailable for users opting out of a full price membership.
No, I have never seen TR run any “special” pricing.
The one possible exception depending on your definition of a special offer, is their prior history of telling people in advance of a pending price increase, and having a “grace period” of a couple weeks to lock in a rate. This is essentially their Legacy Pricing pre-offered to new people prior to the rate change, as covered in depth above.
This was not mentioned on one episode. It was mentioned on quite a few and pushed as a great deal to protect us from future price increases.
It was a win-win. TR wanted to raise funds at that time and get people off 4-6 month plans and users wanted to save money before a price increase that was about to happen.
It should be an opt in to a price increase. An opt out is taking advantage of people that may not be informed.
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Here is I think Nate’s clearest explanation of what he is proposing from earlier in the thread.
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That is so confusing as I think it is missing a period and an OR?
Legacy pricing remains
No features will be lost/withheld/not provided
Legacy users will be automatically charged the current (full/non legacy) price UNLESS they opt out. There is no penalty for opting out and users have up to 12 months after payment to opt out.
If you choose to opt out of the price increase there will be two options:
Remain on your current legacy price plan, so as you are currently. No price increase at all.
Half way house where pay the current full (non legacy) price less a 15% discount.
Restate - regardless of choice, all users will keep all current and new functionality.
There is no penalty for opting out of the price rise, but some users have expressed a willingness to help TR by paying more and this is a way of allowing that.
@Nate_Pearson, I get what you’re doing here but wouldn’t it be possible (recognizing that we’re in a special situation) to provide the option of a one time legacy price increase? I don’t mind upgrading to 85% of the current price. Maybe even 100%. But I don’t want to give up protection from future price increases because $189 already feels pretty close to the limit.
I qualify this with admitting I am a dull bulb. Multiple people have said this, but it still is not entirely clear to me. So the next time my yearly re-ups (Jan 2023), I’ll be charged the new yearly price. However, I have 12 months from that date to opt out and keep my prior legacy pricing. If that’s true, do they then re-fund me the difference?
Just seems like a lot more steps than necessary, however I assume the idea is many people won’t pay attention/won’t get the opt-out request in on time and therefore they’ll have less legacy folks remaining versus having an “opt-in” path.
I let my $99/year grandfather clause lapse too. Tough decision but I am feeling good about it now (a few weeks later).