Only if I’ve got my pedals on the trainer as opposed to on my outside bike which is what I bought them for. It’s a pain to keep swiping them over (3/4 times a week). Not to mention the risk of stripping a thread on them
I get wanting TR to make it even easier. I was just pointing out that there are at least two solutions available (power match or using the bias on your pedals).
I know. Neither solution is ideal. I just think it would be a simple thing for TR to do. On the other hand only a handful of subscribers might use it.
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If you run the Join workout in TR anyway, could you not simply increase/decrease the intensity? That should scale it so that you can make the power match your pedals?
Alternatively, you could load the workout in a workout editor, and scale it there. But that’s quite a PITA for every workout.
The other solution would be to work out what power the intervals should be, ride indoors in in resistance mode, and just go to the calculated power, instead of the one shown.
Reducing the intensity would record the workout at the lower intensities and mess up the Xert statistics and Join analysis of the workout.
The second solution I can’t quite follow. So first you would need to know what resistance mode coincides with each power level and then you would need to hope TR has the correct mapping to go from trainer resistance to the right power?
It’s not a unique problem. Fortunately and unfortunately there is a simple solution, as mentioned above, offset the pedals. They are the ones you have the offset ability with.
It will be a pain to adapt your fueling, etc etc to the new numbers, but once you’ve changed you’ll then have only one set to use and get used to.
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Scale the FTP up? But outdoor rides might be overestimated for AT?
Resistance mode just sets a constant resistant similar to being on a hill of a set gradient. Then you use your gears to shift etc.
So if you knew your trainer read 10% low, and you are supposed to do 200W, you could just ride at 220W instead. Then you’d still get the right training stimulus. But yes, the power file would show 220W too.
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Pretty sure you could edit the file after, eg in GC, and scale the power. But thats a lot of hassle for every indoor workout.
Intervals.ICU allows you to edit FTP after the fact too. I agree though, not an answer I’d pick.
Go the set and forget route. It’s only a number 
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The only number I care about is this cost I’m putting together for Zipp 303s on my outdoor bike.
That being said, I’ve seen people mention using TR to do the JOIN workouts. I’m not a TR subscriber currently but am curious - is it working well and what kind of impact is it having on your TR data and Adaptive Training?
I use my Xert ebc app to run my JOIN workouts. It works really well.
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I’ve been using TR. Will reply properly when I get to work, but it’s worked well and is the best place currently for executing workouts in my experience.
The joy of pushing to TP, or allowing the file to be downloaded - we can all do it where best fits us. 
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Absolutely. I signed up to TP just to use as a hub. It’s a frustration currently having to use it as it doesn’t seem to add any value to my experience. It is however necessary to get it to TR.
I tried MyWhoosh, and will maybe have another go at some point, but hated the experience in terms of trainer feel. I used my Garmin Instinct 2, that was darn near as bad (intensity setting not fine enough andmy watch kept buzzing to tell me I was in Zone).
With regards Join effect on Adaptive Training. The workouts sent through seem reasonable in terms of levels. That 30min at FTP the other day was a 6.3 or something. That’s fine I guess, except it uses the TR FTP which is a stretch for me currently for 30min (I was about 2% under I think and that was with a bit of overreaching at the end). I did do ~105min of ~0.73 before the 30min though which I’m not sure if that would be the same Threshold PL if designed by TR. Looking at the alternatives to today’s TR workout for me (80 min Threshold) if I were to accept adaptations, I’d end up with a workout with 2x16min at 104%. That’s too intense I think. I’m going to do the original 3.8 (4x8min at 100%) because that’s already at just beyond FTP. Or I’ll swap out for Tray Mountain or a similar 120min SS workout in the ~9.0 range. I’ll let you know what Join thinks of it.
Currently Join is predicting a more accurate FTP (as in closer to my MLSS) than the AI-FTPD. Which also means it’s probably better accounting for my training load.
I think they work really well together. I can’t afford to run both though.
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Was listening to a LSRF podcast today, where Laurens was saying that the Join score was actually just CTL with.a bit of FTP in the mix. Jim is always a bit secretive about what goes in the Join score, but he explained that they don’t use CTL, but have an own measure to compute training stress that also includes RPE. And it also mattered what the path was that got you to the current training stress, which could explain the hysteresis.
I’ve pushed the workouts to my garmin, and let that control the trainer in erg mode. Only for endurance/tempo type workouts, I do the ones with sprints etc outside. It works ok, but there’s an odd drop in power at the start of every interval, even if the interval actually has higher power than the one before. Not sure if that is in the file from Join, or something Garmin adds, haven’t looked into it yet.
Normally on my hometrainer I do the Join workouts using the Garmin and setting the bike on free ride mode. But today I had a long Z2 ride and it was raining so I remained inside and let the Garmin control the trainer so I could focus more on the podcasts. Did not experience any drop in power as you describe.
Actually here is the workout:
There were 20 2-minute highZ2/low Z2 intervals in the middle. And strange wobbles in power is me sometimes standing up to get by a 3,5hr inside ride.
I can’t see your workout, but I did that same workout yesterday too! A 2h version. Also indoors, because it was wet and miserable the whole day. You can see the power drops at the start of every higher-power intervals.
That’s… weird…
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