I got my app to look right (with the Career tab) with help from Support, but now I get the “Processing data” box. The app doesn’t appear to be doing anything, and there is no change, even after s few hours.
The AI is smarter than all of us. I’m more impressed with your ability to match its estimation!
I’m sure this already has been talked about but there are a lot of post to read through so I’ll just ask. Do you have to be in a training plan currently for the AI FTP Detection to work? I enabled it in my account but I don’t have any workouts scheduled, I just use the train now function. I did schedule a ramp test for today but when I refresh the app and try it I don’t have the option of updating my FTP it just loads the ramp test as normal. I do have more than 12 workouts on TR recently.
Thanks in advance
@Nate_Pearson maybe one for the podcast… were you tempted to call it something other than FTP?
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- Are you checking this on the Career page of your TR app? That is the only place to see the Detection option at this time.
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You don’t need to be part of a plan. Schedule a ramp test for today. Then go to the career page and you should see the option to use ftp detection.
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Seems like this would put a lot of drama to bed. Just call it, like, “Training Benchmark Power” and just like that thousands of forum comments are extinguished
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This would actually make for a very interesting discussion on the podcast. Is there mid/long-term data to inform around whether it’s better to take the higher FTP and lower PLs, or keeping the same FTP and pushing into deeper PLs? Does the choice depend on the goals/stage of your training, or the type of racing you do?
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Yes I am.
Even “Threshold Power Zone Estimation” along with a range rather than single number would be a big improvement.
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OK, assuming you also have the latest TR app installed, you may be best to leave some feedback to get help from the related support page:
For most of the time it isn’t gonna matter much. For many racing objectives, I doubt it matters much. One caveat would be something like 40k TT. You want to have your sustainable power dialed in pretty tight. Those come at high PLs in threshold. I’d like their input as well, but the more experience I get with it and the more I think about it, the less it really seems to matter much for most of my training.
Now I feel like an idiot… I had to close the app and then go back into it and it was there. Thank you all for helping
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And I just tried again after completing a stretch VO2max I got 245, then I tried again and got 244
What I’m really hoping, is that if you can estimate threshold, you should be able to estimate all points in the power duration curve and then you can prescribe workouts at the right intensity for an individual and move away from the outdated concept of equal % FTP based training is equal for everyone.
I appreciate there is no tone in the written word… This isn’t a bitch and a moan… it’s a genuine wish for you to improve the product. If you can estimate FTP, you must be able to estimate the full curve… Although without outdoor rides your data won’t be truly accurate.
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Probably not for looking back. I’m worried that it would cause more confusion than help.
If you’re inexperienced and still newish to structured training I would go for the higher FTP.
If you’re like 4.5 watt/kg and going to be a TTer then I would stick with the old FTP and go farther through your PLs.
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I’m about to do a TrainNow recommended Threshold ride with my brand spankin new FTP, at a “productive” level above my current Threshold PL.
I would say “wish me luck” but the math indicates that I don’t need luck
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This is exactly what we’re doing with PLs. But instead of just a power duration curve, we’re taking into account repeatability, muscular endurance, and other things.
I think the confusion point might be that workouts are made in percent of FTP, so you think that means we’re prescribing based on that.
But you can do it with pure wattage too. If we think your threshold/vo2 max ratio is lower, we might prescribe you at 117% VO2 intervals.
FTP - 300
117% VO2 - 351
Where someone else might be a ratio of 120%.
FTP - 300
120% VO2 - 360
You could say “This doesn’t work because it’s a percentage”, but the outcome is pure wattage.
You don’t want to do this with just a power curve because it doesn’t take repeatability into context, which is its own thing that has to be considered. We thought about just using a power curve years ago but realized it would lead to a lot of bad outcomes.
So PLs take into account all of that (you can think of it in terms of pure wattage + repeatability + muscular endurance) to get the correct workouts for you.
I think your point would be valid if we took FTP then just pushed people into 3x5min at 120% FTP. That would mean there was a static relationship and we weren’t pushing people through progressions.
If that were the case, doing a power curve duration would be a logical next step. But with PLs we’ve leapfrogged that and have a better solution that takes more things into consideration.
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Thanks for the explanation…Makes sense having it explained!
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