Spanish Needle -3 was in my plan for today, this was an outdoor ride. I’m not sure what AT would have made of my attempt!
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Hmm so when the weather gets better I will be doing indoor rides one day followed by outside rides another day
I have an older bike that is dedicated to my kickr for indoor training.
I don’t want to switch my power pedals every other ride.
Is there an easier way to get around this?
Normally I wouldn’t care but with adaptive training I want my outside power workouts to be accurately applied to my inside power numbers
For example if 325 watts outside feels like 300 watts inside how do I “normalize” this?
Or will adaptive training take into account that some people tend to push higher power numbers (using power pedals) on outside rides and scale those workouts appropriately for subsequent indoor rides using a different power meter (kickr)?
I’ve been told to “power match” but what exactly does that do? Meaning if it creates some type of offset percentage. What is the “truth” in terms of power?
Hope these questions make sense.
Ty
Sort of. It will get you at the right level more quickly. So for you, you might need to start at level 7 threshold after the ramp test, where someone else might start at level 3.
If people are way outside the bounds (can’t do a level 1, or can do a level 10 right after the ramp test) then we’ll need to have a custom percent of FTP for the ramp test result.
We’ve also thought about having an “advanced” section under profile where people could type in their own percent of ramp test result to use as FTP.
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Yes, that is one reason why Group Workout was supposed to come out after Adaptive Training.
The idea is you can do the same “shape” of the workout, but we can adjust the percent of FTP to match your current level.
IE if you’re both doing 3 min Vo2 max intervals someone might be at 120% and someone might be at 115%. The goal is to have it hurt the same.
We also have plans on letting people do totally different workouts together. It’s not as fun as shared suffering, but it’s still a good experience.
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You can just manually type in your FTP and you’ll get levels based on custom workouts (soon) and outside unstructured rides (in the future).
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It does not yet. But we’ve got some ideas on making the different systems flexible. We still need to get AT out to everyone before we add these changes.
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Just so I’m clear: it won’t make a difference to AT how you generate your FTP, correct? So Ramp Test, 8min, 20min and manually entered will be handled the same way by AT?
Just another question, small one.
Will the rollout of AT come with a comprehensive manual / wiki?
I just love to read but I also think being able to understand the nuts and bolts of the approach in detail will be much appreciated.
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Wait…I don’t like this. I want it to hurt more for everyone else in the group ride.
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I wonder if that can apply to individual workouts too. if you measure hrv during warm up and it indicates you’re fresh it could raise the intensity a bit and if it says your worn out it could lower it a bit. Though hrv is generally better at trends and may not be sensitive enough day to day to do this
Super excited to be able to use the Group Workout function (in any shape). I’m curious about the hardware requirements for it on mobile, is it quite demanding, or is it also done server end and just requires a strong internet connection?
Cool! An exciting first step 
Just suffered through a 1x120min@90% (final workout in WKO extensive aerobic phase). Guess that’s >= 10 in SS progression.
So if I now start into SSB2 for example…what does AT do/“think”? Maybe it would recommend FTP raise (IIRC nor there yet.). What if I stay on that FTP…would I often get the hardest SS workout of the catalog recommended for SS days?
I really like this idea. I think there are a lot of people who have settled on a custom percent, maybe 72-73% after a year or two experience using the ramp test and seeing how they perform on subsequent workouts. I think the AT will ameliorate this greatly, but if I already know things progress better with the 0.72 ratio, it would be nice to be able to automatically use that starting point.
That said, we can always manually update anyway, which is what people do now.
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Does adaptive training differentiate between a completed workout that just kills you versus a completed workout that was easy? Does it use heart rate data to know what was hard and what was easy or do we have to tell it? Clearly it can tell if you failed the workout or not, but there is huge variability within a “successful” workout in regards to the level of effort that successful workout required.
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That’s what the RPE survey at the end is for.
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Correct.
No, it’s pretty easy to use. You just ride and accept the adaptations.
Just turn it down 
I suspect if we could ever tell during the warm up if you were worn, wed just end the workout or make it easy.