Yes, they will, and AT will not assume your FTP is 75 % of your maximum aerobic power.
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Congrats @Nate_Pearson and the team, this whole thing looks incredibly thought out and Iām really looking forward to trying it out.
Will Group Workouts be updated so that we can still ride with mates the may be on the same plan but on different trajectories? Aside from the plans themselves, the most motivating thing for me in lockdown has been progressing through the Base & Build with others.
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Is a Ramp Test required to calibrate suggestions? Or can it suggest after you are pulling in Custom Workout and outside rides into the model?
Iād like to observe the plan adjusting to see what it thinks (even though I wonāt be following the plan because I have a coach) but Iād prefer not to do a Ramp Test if possible just to satisfy my own idle curiosities when I fall outside of the bell curve for the Ramp Tests percentage adjustment.
Iām planning on doing the same as Iām intrigued to see what the system thinks I should be doing.
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Yes, as of right now, if I understand the team correcrtly.
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That may well change in the near term and may not apply to everyone depending on when they get access.
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Holy crap Nate. You must be exhausted. Reading this thread is like a tennis match with the back and forth.
Good on you for sharing all this info with us.
I tried train now yesterday on a rest day. Normally I would have done recess just to keep legs moving. Instead I did an endurance ride that went great.
Today between a pee break, creaky bottom bracket I had to adjust 3 times to get right and being worn outā¦ I failed the workout.
Lesson learned. Recover day is for recovery. Stick to plan. Donāt do more than Iām supposed to. Listen to body.
Itās only been said a thousand times in the podcast.
Itās not like train now can adapt over me being dumb.
Anyways keep up the great work!
Thanks for sharing.
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Exactly the same idea for me, minus the coach 
Hey @Nate_Pearson, perhaps I missed this in the podcast, or youāve already answered somewhere in the forum, but does AT move you to new blocks if your levels get to a certain point? For example, letās just say that my levels stop progressing in a certain energy system (Iāve plateaued), but I still have two weeks left in that block. Does AT at this point say āokay, time to move on to a different energy systemā or does it try to complete a specified training block first?
We have some long term plans to update Group Workouts so that everyone who joins a workout will be able to complete the workout in a way that is appropriate for their current levels. This is a ways off, but our goal is for everyone to still get the right workout when training with others, something that isnāt possible today.
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Right now it will have you finish out the block. We do have some hors catƩgorie workouts in different zones that are above Level 10, so you could still be recommended those. We do have plans to look into what sort of distribution of levels or estimated FTP where we should either recommend you retest or just go ahead and update your FTP for you, but there is a lot to dive into with this one.
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Thanks for the reply! So itās fair to say that at this point AT is flexible at the level of the workout, but not on the level of a whole plan?
Iāve been a TR subscriber since before I had grey hair (long time ago), registered for early access (beta) not long after that also. Signed up for AT when the offer was put out but havenāt got access. So whatās the criteria for getting in early? frustrated & a little disappointed.
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So the idea is to identify those intervals even if they arenāt exactly regular, hopefully thatās part of the plan for including outdoor workouts in the progressions. That would fantastic.
Somewhere I think Nate said it was random, and somewhere else another employer says things like how long you have been subscribed and how many workouts you have completed increase your odds, and somewhere else Nate said they were letting 50 people in today. lām not sure if that has happened yet. But, Iām guessing thousands of people signed up, so I would say your best bet is be patient.
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If you go to the āTopā of the forum, the first post, in the first thread, is from @bnied explaining and hopefully updating the beta access roll out.
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I deal with this as a result of training on two different trainers at two different locations. It does not seem to cause me much of an issue. I have a KICKR Core and Tacx Neo (first gen). Admittedly I am just an average guy and not competitive, nor am I THAT tuned in to small differences. On a side note, I am hoping to put power meters on both bikes (yup different bikes too) someday soon.
Spanish Needle -3 was in my plan for today, this was an outdoor ride. Iām not sure what AT would have made of my attempt!
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Hmm so when the weather gets better I will be doing indoor rides one day followed by outside rides another day
I have an older bike that is dedicated to my kickr for indoor training.
I donāt want to switch my power pedals every other ride.
Is there an easier way to get around this?
Normally I wouldnāt care but with adaptive training I want my outside power workouts to be accurately applied to my inside power numbers
For example if 325 watts outside feels like 300 watts inside how do I ānormalizeā this?
Or will adaptive training take into account that some people tend to push higher power numbers (using power pedals) on outside rides and scale those workouts appropriately for subsequent indoor rides using a different power meter (kickr)?
Iāve been told to āpower matchā but what exactly does that do? Meaning if it creates some type of offset percentage. What is the ātruthā in terms of power?
Hope these questions make sense.
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Sort of. It will get you at the right level more quickly. So for you, you might need to start at level 7 threshold after the ramp test, where someone else might start at level 3.
If people are way outside the bounds (canāt do a level 1, or can do a level 10 right after the ramp test) then weāll need to have a custom percent of FTP for the ramp test result.
Weāve also thought about having an āadvancedā section under profile where people could type in their own percent of ramp test result to use as FTP.
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Yes, that is one reason why Group Workout was supposed to come out after Adaptive Training.
The idea is you can do the same āshapeā of the workout, but we can adjust the percent of FTP to match your current level.
IE if youāre both doing 3 min Vo2 max intervals someone might be at 120% and someone might be at 115%. The goal is to have it hurt the same.
We also have plans on letting people do totally different workouts together. Itās not as fun as shared suffering, but itās still a good experience.
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