We don’t have anything in the system to take into account power meters that are a few percent off. I would use your power meter inside while on your kickr.
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This is our experience too. A “2.0” point jump can feel like a lot. But right around the 1.0 jump is hard but doable depending on recovery state and fueling.
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Duuuuuuude. You must do this.
But 10K bike. Just saying…
hi all, long time reader first time poster.
Will AT essentially build a model of the athlete’s ftp with respect to the ramp test? Ramp tests set the FTP as 75% of the final minute’s power but we know that each athlete’s true (lab based or 1 hour test) ftp will be somewhere between 0.72 and 0.78 of that final minute.
As an example myself and some friends have been doing group TR ramp tests and workouts. Whereas I find subsequent threshold workouts relatively comfortable, my friend can really smash the ramp test (he keeps going for 1-2 mins after I’ve stopped) but then finds sweetspot/threshold workouts difficult to complete. I’m guessing that my threshold is well estimated at 0.75 of the last minute of the ramp test, whereas my friend’s ftp is probably closer to 0.72 of the last minute of the ramp test.
Will AT essentially estimate this parameter out for us, set workouts appropriately, and crucially give more accurate estimates of ftp than just 0.75 of the last minute of the ramp test?
Yes, they will, and AT will not assume your FTP is 75 % of your maximum aerobic power.
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Congrats @Nate_Pearson and the team, this whole thing looks incredibly thought out and I’m really looking forward to trying it out.
Will Group Workouts be updated so that we can still ride with mates the may be on the same plan but on different trajectories? Aside from the plans themselves, the most motivating thing for me in lockdown has been progressing through the Base & Build with others.
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Is a Ramp Test required to calibrate suggestions? Or can it suggest after you are pulling in Custom Workout and outside rides into the model?
I’d like to observe the plan adjusting to see what it thinks (even though I won’t be following the plan because I have a coach) but I’d prefer not to do a Ramp Test if possible just to satisfy my own idle curiosities when I fall outside of the bell curve for the Ramp Tests percentage adjustment.
I’m planning on doing the same as I’m intrigued to see what the system thinks I should be doing.
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Yes, as of right now, if I understand the team correcrtly.
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That may well change in the near term and may not apply to everyone depending on when they get access.
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Holy crap Nate. You must be exhausted. Reading this thread is like a tennis match with the back and forth.
Good on you for sharing all this info with us.
I tried train now yesterday on a rest day. Normally I would have done recess just to keep legs moving. Instead I did an endurance ride that went great.
Today between a pee break, creaky bottom bracket I had to adjust 3 times to get right and being worn out… I failed the workout.
Lesson learned. Recover day is for recovery. Stick to plan. Don’t do more than I’m supposed to. Listen to body.
It’s only been said a thousand times in the podcast.
It’s not like train now can adapt over me being dumb.
Anyways keep up the great work!
Thanks for sharing.
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Exactly the same idea for me, minus the coach 
Hey @Nate_Pearson, perhaps I missed this in the podcast, or you’ve already answered somewhere in the forum, but does AT move you to new blocks if your levels get to a certain point? For example, let’s just say that my levels stop progressing in a certain energy system (I’ve plateaued), but I still have two weeks left in that block. Does AT at this point say ‘okay, time to move on to a different energy system’ or does it try to complete a specified training block first?
We have some long term plans to update Group Workouts so that everyone who joins a workout will be able to complete the workout in a way that is appropriate for their current levels. This is a ways off, but our goal is for everyone to still get the right workout when training with others, something that isn’t possible today.
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Right now it will have you finish out the block. We do have some hors catégorie workouts in different zones that are above Level 10, so you could still be recommended those. We do have plans to look into what sort of distribution of levels or estimated FTP where we should either recommend you retest or just go ahead and update your FTP for you, but there is a lot to dive into with this one.
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Thanks for the reply! So it’s fair to say that at this point AT is flexible at the level of the workout, but not on the level of a whole plan?
I’ve been a TR subscriber since before I had grey hair (long time ago), registered for early access (beta) not long after that also. Signed up for AT when the offer was put out but haven’t got access. So what’s the criteria for getting in early? frustrated & a little disappointed.
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So the idea is to identify those intervals even if they aren’t exactly regular, hopefully that’s part of the plan for including outdoor workouts in the progressions. That would fantastic.
Somewhere I think Nate said it was random, and somewhere else another employer says things like how long you have been subscribed and how many workouts you have completed increase your odds, and somewhere else Nate said they were letting 50 people in today. l’m not sure if that has happened yet. But, I’m guessing thousands of people signed up, so I would say your best bet is be patient.
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If you go to the “Top” of the forum, the first post, in the first thread, is from @bnied explaining and hopefully updating the beta access roll out.
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I deal with this as a result of training on two different trainers at two different locations. It does not seem to cause me much of an issue. I have a KICKR Core and Tacx Neo (first gen). Admittedly I am just an average guy and not competitive, nor am I THAT tuned in to small differences. On a side note, I am hoping to put power meters on both bikes (yup different bikes too) someday soon.