🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉

Wow, that’s a cool job posting ! #HireFaster

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My friends are stupid :confused:

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Zwift might be hiring :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Apologize if the question has been asked previously, does Adaptive Training work within the Structured Training Plan, i.e. I am on FIM Training Plan and have missed a few session due other engagement and/or injured, then will the Adaptive Training features suggest another kind of session such as lower intensity to catch up with my Plan?

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What a CEO! Always thinking of new revenue streams.

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For many of us, simply looking at the flag for indoor vs outdoor ride would be sufficient. You could even just set 2 ftp’s, one for indoor, one for outdoor.

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Brilliant, thanks for answering personally @Nate_Pearson Massively impresssed with AT. and all work behind scenes.

I have a specific personaly question. I am currently crocked. (Twisted left knee) and so have not cycled at all for 2 weeks to give it time to recover. I was in the middle of General Build LV with added outside rides and SS sessions, pushing some decent sessions. I am likely having to take it easy for another week or so first sessions back, and feel my way back into what teh knee can take.

I am curious how Adaptive Training will handle this situation?

  1. How might it evaluate me?
  2. How it might start me off again?
  3. How might AT interpret me starting gently with a few Z2 sessions to simply feel comfortable with my knee again? Do I log these as “injured?”

or should I simply get myself sorted as I feel right, then restart a block when ready?

oh god I’m having flashbacks.

I have no specific experience of this through AT but having read a lot of these forum posts I believe it would start you back on a slightly lower level to ease you in for a few workouts. Then based on previous knowledge and assessment of how those easier workouts had gone it would start to ramp you back towards previous levels based on how much fitness the ML estimates you to have lost. This could be quite quick if you had a previous good level of fitness and hadn’t lost much over a couple of weeks of rest.
I’m not sure anyone has covered your third point yet.

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@philrcook Seems reasonable, thanks. It is what I would do anyway… apart from probably pushing back the remainder of the block a week or so, or even restarting it, depending on where I am with it.

Basically, yes. If it thinks you have missed enough to need to drop down a level.

I absolutely agree with the latter part of the answer. I’ll admit that my example was drastic to force this answer and everybody will agree that OBVIOUSLY/CONSCIOUSLY burying oneself and hitting it hard the next day is simply stupid.

The more subtle part is this: I (!) didn’t schedule the (hard) workout on the next day. It is already there. The ACTION I have to take is not adding another hard workout, it is REMOVING it. Same outcome but I didn’t ignore what the program told me in that scenario … I DID follow protocol (in this obvious/drastic example stupid of course, but you will have enough fantasy to imagine other scenarios). The program ignored me

I guess everybody has to see for themselves, but my hopes are not high it will make TR “10times better” (as TR is really really really good already :-))
Unless you can’t measure fatigue (big one), factor in unstructured rides and adapt from there … Nice feature (like really nice!) but good enough for “sorry coaches, you don’t have to pick the workouts anymore”? I guess at this point not by a long shot.

Just in case I sound overly sceptic … I have the issue of being a spoiled brat … and I know what great job TR is doing and I highly appreciate it … 3/4th of my cycling “knowledge” is from reading Chad’s workout messages and listening to the podcast :slight_smile:

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@Nate_Pearson I apologize if this has already been answered. How will outside workouts with a different power meter affect subsequent indoor workouts?
I complete hard vo2 like Max intervals on Tuesday nights outside using a pedal based power meter. I have always felt like my outside power numbers are 10-20 watts higher than my indoor workouts using a 2018 Kickr. Ty

Any reason you aren’t using powermatch indoors? You can use the pedals as you power reporting device in both situations (it’s how I am currently doing things), and then there’s no correlation issue to worry about.

That said, here is a response from Nate from further up in the thread (click the arrow to jump for the quoted context not included in this quote block):

Also, here is a timestamp from the podcast last week that may shed some light on your question about difference between power meters if you switch to a new one in the middle of the plan: https://youtu.be/nAYVLch8tEA?t=6127.

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This sounds good.

Ok thanks. I just re listened to that portion of the podcast
Sounds like the subjective ie post workout survey will help to calibrate the two workouts from diff power sources.

Re not using the power pedals on my kickr is because I have a designated older bike that I keep setup on my kicker and I swap my power pedals between two other bikes.

What is power match?

Ty

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I’m in the same situation as you, old bike on the trainer and to lazy to change the power meter over every time. I just changed the config of both my power meters to read lower so that they match my Kickr instead. The Favero Assioma pedals for example are reading -4,5% now.

Doensn’t look as impressive on Strava but at least all I have a consistent number to train with.

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Hi Guys,

Sounds very cool. I have a question. I am a relatively experienced rider and have been training with structure for a few years. I’m new to TR as of early this year and am half way through MVSS 2. I rarely fail workouts (so far), however I do suffer from delayed onset fatigue (by circa 2 days from a tough, or string of tough rides). I’m quite self aware of this and when it hits I’ll likely just swap a planned workout for an easy ride outdoors. I almost never can finish a full week on my plan, which I am totally ok with. This has been a successful approach for me over the past few years and have had good, relatively consistent, progression ( I say this as, for my N of 1, I feel I am doing the right thing).

My question is even though I am not failing workouts will there be an option for me to tell TR that I have chosen to skip, or replace, a scheduled workout, for something easier because I am tired from a work out I did a few days earlier?

Thanks

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Possibly OT, but I’ve rebuilt using PlanBuilder and back-dated to start of my existing plan/season start numerous times last year. It seems like it handles things just fine. Sometime’s I’ve had to delete before I re-built but otherwise it was great.

If this was already apparent in @mcneese.chad 's reply to the OP,then my apologies. I maybe should have responded to @philrcook

Cheers.

Omg that’s the exact power pedals I have.
How did you come up with the 4.5% number?
I don’t really want to lower my kickr power numbers