🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉

[Nate_Pearson]

@Jkauffman

Nate, apologize if this has been asked.
I frequently do workouts when I am “on call” for work. As a result during a recovery period I will have to get off the bike for just a minute or two. So frequently a 4 min break will turn into a 5 min recovery ( i wont take the brake if the recovery is supposed to be less then a minute or two) . Also, when i backpeddle for a few moments during a recovery to catch my breath my trainer interprests that i have paused. Will these interruptions cause all of these workouts to be “failed”?? If so, i’m worried that my fitness will be underestimated.

It most cases it will not be failed. We trained the model on cases like these (short pauses). I got to the bathroom a lot during rides .

[Nate_Pearson]

@Craigball

Hi Nate
Wow A personal reply

I know you are thinking this but you are about to change training forever …

I use the type of software in the UK for pricing retail insurance and we look for predictive life time value to price both new business and renewals

I was a pro triathlete (once apon a time many moons ago) and now am a sociable cyclist looking for a balance from being CFO of a three thousand employee business

Anyway . Would love to have an offline with you on some of our key learnings as I really think you are creating a game changer

If i don’t here back the very very best of luck and continue to be an excellent CEO

Thanks! We’re actually hiring a CFO now but I believe you are above our level. We’re at about 90-100 employees depending on how you count open reqs.

[Nate_Pearson]

@trijdc

I am not in the beta yet, but I have been tracking all of these measurements via Oura Ring and HRVTraining for a while. Is there a place that I can record these in TR or provide it through some other means so that the data science team can start to collect this data? I know how important collecting the source data is, and I would like to help in any way I can.

Not yet, but keep using your products. We hope to pull in historic data from APIs. This helps us accelerate training the model.

[Nate_Pearson]

@bobw

Yesterday I had Kaiser+2 planned but subbed it for Kaiser-1, how would AT deal with that? I.e. still doing a workout in the same energy zone as that planned but either easier, as in this case, or harder?

It depends on what else you’ve done recently and what’s coming up next week. These two are pretty close, so your next workout next week might be a 7.5 instead of a 8.1.

But in the big scheme of things is most likely won’t matter much.

[Nate_Pearson]

@RobertSims

Does that include if the cool down is extended to do extra riding/endurance (or even extra intervals)?

We don’t use warm up/cool down to take into account how we categorize a workout.

We do take warm up/cool down into account in FTP prediction.

So you could extend your workout and kinda mess around for an hour and it wouldn’t make your threshold workout a “fail”.

But we would count that fitness towards FTP prediction.

[Nate_Pearson]

@enki42

I hope the complaining half is just the more vocal half. Easy to complain but hard to really think about what is happening. (Like my responses up above aren’t meant to complain as much as trying to suggest my thoughts even if they aren’t good)

We love the feedback! I just wish I could do it all at once. Please keep it up.

I’ll try to be open and honest about how we view features and priorities as a company. That of course won’t make everyone happy.

[Nate_Pearson]

@dprimm

Figuring out how to include the Non-plans persons will help you get the world faster. Most of the world does not race - and doing a plan requires some sort of end goal. If someone can tell TR “I want to train 3x a week for one hour each, make me stronger/faster” you open to a whole new world.

Yes, this is the goal. That is still a “plan” IMO.

The ultimate goal is to:

• Tell TR what days you can workout for what time (and allow this to change)
• Have TR monitor a bunch of your metrics
• Tell TR what your goals are

Then you get a fully customized and individual system that adapts to your performance and helps you achieve your goals better than any human could.

That’s like the full self driving system. Right now we have auto pilot on the highway but it’s still 10x better than what we used to have.

[gwhilts]

@Zissou

FTP is dead, long live the progress bars!

I’m with you, though if I understand correctly (and I might not), FTP is still part of the progress bar calculation. For example, a 3.8 threshold progress bar score at an FTP of 240, might be a 1.2 at an FTP of 280 .

[bfrostieone]

@Nate_Pearson I love the fact that you guys are so active on the forums and give an idea of the upcoming stuff. Knowing what’s coming does make it harder to have to wait, though.

[PotsieA]

Until there is visibility in TrainNow of whether a recommended workout is achievable or progressive, can any assumption be made as to whether the first recommended workout for Endurance, Climbing, & Attacking is achievable or progressive?

[IvyAudrain]

@GeorgeAnderson

I think its awesome that you come on the forum and post feedback to all of our questions. Chapeau sir.

@Nate_Pearson

Me now that Nate + the team are so active on this thread:

[IceBear]

@IvyAudrain its augmentation not replacement!

[Skilaxin1088]

This is good stuff Nate, thanks for the response!

[pats]

Awesome!! Thanks Nate.
Keep up the great work!!
I look forward to this “game changing” update

[enki42]

@Nate_Pearson

You’ll see the data that we bring it because you’ll need to authorize it for third party APIs. We won’t share specifically how we build features on that data, though.

To me at least I think the question is what equipment would be useful. As in if you don’t use body battery from Garmin and I was planning to get a new watch then there would be no advantage to getting a garmin that had that feature. So if the fr935 has all the functionality I need I would have money and get that over say the 945 which adds body battery. Or if I have a scale that is internet connected I may not care about getting that data onto Garmin connect cause I see no point, but if you used that data I might go through the effort to do it. Or if you started to use HRV that would impact what HR strap I might buy as while optical straps are convenient as they just go on the arm they won’t provide that data well like a normal chest strap.

[sbrands]

I’m curious what would happen if you’d only use TrainNow for a while. With the full AT implementation, would this eventually ‘simulate’ a training plan? Theoretically it would work on a base if that is what’s needed. But would you still be lacking anything if you go this way? (Given that you don’t always choose for the Attacking option and choose some lower TSS options now and then as well.)

[enki42]

A training plan can have the needed cycles built into it that aren’t really possible if you just do day by day

The Science of Supercompensation and How It Makes You Fast

[sbrands]

Ah yes you’d have to then manually adjust for that. Defeating the purporse of course.

[commanderobvious]

Thanks again for the response.

Spencer +3 showed up before my VO2 workout on Tuesday. Stuck in my head because Spencer +2 is my planned VO2 workout for next week so I was both optimistic and fearful at the recommendation. I actually switched that workout to +3, but have changed it back to +2 since hearing from you. Currently, I do not see it when I “shuffle” TrainNow, however . Maybe I didn’t do quite as well on Mills as I thought. Haha

[Nate_Pearson]

@gwhilts

I’m with you, though if I understand correctly (and I might not), FTP is still part of the progress bar calculation. For example, a 3.8 threshold progress bar score at an FTP of 240, might be a 1.2 at an FTP of 280 .

Yes, it’s not that big of a spread though.

We could probably rebrand the FTP as “Ramp Test Result” or something like that, but that would be a big education effort.