No, double is not normal.
Are you sure your calendar was completely empty from old plans before applying any new one?
If you moved workouts from an old plan, they can be left behind even if you delete the old plan.
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Ok thanks, maybe they were there already. My bad!
Workouts in specialization plans can be rather sensitive to holes in the workout library with AT.
In the mid-distance triathlon plan, in specialization, I had a 2.5h race tempo effort, i.e. essentially a race day simulation. It got adapted to a 1h Olympic distance pace effort.
I went back and forth with support a few times and we established that this was indeed the closest match in difficulty in the library, but I’m not sure I got across that this was just wrong in terms of periodization/specialization.
Luckily it’s easy to fix these kind of mistakes by hand but it does make me understand why AT is going to be in beta for quite a bit longer 
I’m a little disappointed and confused. I’ve nailed every workout for weeks, and the only adaptations that I ever get is to make everything easier. I’m feeling stronger than a few weeks ago and it just bumps everything down, not even keep things unchanged.
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Shoot an email to support. There are so many factors at play here – where you are in your plan, what zones it is actually trying to progress (it’s chasing progress in relevant zones not all of them), indoor vs. outdoor (changed in the last week or so), survey responses per workout, etc. As such, we’d need a lot more information (and granular information at that) to understand why it may be doing what it’s doing, so support would be your best bet to answer your questions and address any confusion.
Is AT applied to the Polarization training plan too? If it’s not, what happens if the workout said: “not recommended”? I didn’t see any alternative workouts to choose from.
I do all my rides indoors. Just finished LV SSB 1 and I add 30-45 min aerobic to each ride and when I have time extra endurance rides on off days. Every ride was moderate or easy score and no fails. Just had ramp test last week on a tired day and ftp went up by 4w and I manually increased it another 5. 1st SS ride after felt easy and had to manually increase the last set’s intensity 10%. Then yesterday had my 1st hard rated ride which 3x10 over unders bookended by 20min aerobic and I added more aerobic (starlight -2). Today, it wants to lower my workouts on SS’s from 3.6 to 3.1. Why???
Sounds really odd. Are you able to post a screenshot of your last week or two?
Increasing FTP will result in reduced PLs, so that could explain part of it. Also note that AT doesn’t account for those extra rides from my current understanding, so while they mean something to you, the ML doesn’t get it quite yet. In any case, a drop of .5 isn’t huge, and below is my best guess as to what’s happening. To be clear, this is 100% pure speculation as I have no inside knowledge at all.
It is possible the aim for the next workout is to be achievable rather than productive. In my experience this means the workout level can be anything equal to your current PL to anything down to 1.0. If it’s doing this, I assume (and it’s a big assumption) you’re getting into threshold or VO2 workouts of base now, and it’s looking to maintain your SS level while progressing your threshold or VO2 instead. If this is the case, my guess is that it wants your SS work to be moderate rather than hard so you can nail the other workouts instead. This is what I meant by relevant zones in my initial reply. AT appears to me to focus on one zone at a time while maintaining the others it has already progressed. In your case, my guess is it’s happy with your SS level currently and is now targeting threshold or VO2 instead.
Again, to get a very direct and honest answer, I’d recommend emailing support@trainerroad.com. They have actual answers rather than my wild speculation.
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Sure. Here are the last 2 weeks with the proposed adaptations. 2 weeks ago was a recovery week of LVSSB1. I switched to a MV plan because I feel recovered from my Ironman 6 weeks ago
it seems like you haven’t done a lot of vo2 or sweet spot stuff, which is why adaptive training is pushing your levels down in those areas. I don’t want to state the obvious, but each area is scored independently of each other. So you’re getting a vo2 1.6 tomorrow because you likely haven’t done any scored vo2 work near the 4.3 level
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Hi TrainerRoad team, et al,
I fear this question has been answered multiple times…if someone would kindly direct me to the answer whether it be addressed in a previous post and/or a faq. Here goes…
I’ve recently need invited into the Adaptive Training Closed Beta. Having just completed Specialty Phase (non-Adaptive), I’d like to jump straight to Build Phase (and bypass Base Phase I&II) . Would someone please let me know how this is achieved in the Adaptive Training Closed Beta? Is it just as simple as pressing the “Activate Adaptive Training” Button on the closed beta email invitation, setting up my next 12 mos training Plan via Plan Builder, deleting Base I & II Phases from my training calendar and then moving up Build Phase to my desired start date?
Much appreciated,
Blake
Looking at this, I think my speculation may have been correct. You’ll notice the progression for threshold has remained constant (0.5 increase week over week) while the workouts around it are being dropped a bit. This says to me it is working up your Threshold Level now and dropping the others so it can keep that progression ramp going strong. There is an argument to be made that your levels don’t need to drop in SS and VO2, but I can also see the argument of dropping them to shift focus as well.
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Thx. I guess I’ll have to trust it for now.
I’m not so sure. I can’t quite work it out, but I think the PL’s are just all low. You’re not getting PL bumps from the workouts you’re doing and so AT doesn’t want to progress further.
I don’t know what the reason behind that is, whether there’s some “failure/struggle” being picked up, or just that it hasn’t seen enough workouts prior to AT to put you higher than a 1-2.
I also might be wildly off track and if so I apologise. Hopefully @IvyAudrain can chime in?
This is definitely the right move. The support team has the best, most accurate visibility to the full scope of your plan, progressions, workouts that may or may not be contributing to your PLs, etc. Give them a shout!
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They all look relatively reasonable to me being in the 4-5 range for SS and Threshold. VO2 level being so low is probably just because they haven’t done many VO2 workouts recently. That then gets into decay rates and becomes a different issue entirely that I think most agree isn’t currently working as expected by most users.
In any case, I just started a new base phase leading into a hill climb and fondo later this year, and all my levels are floating around 3 to 4-ish currently. Consider also they increased their FTP twice recently, which would push down levels, and that TR has said to start with Level 4 workouts if you’re trying things manually, I’d say they’re well within the ballpark for the correct levels of the workouts.
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finally got my invitation to join AT!! Wooo!
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I’ve been on AT for about 2 weeks now, and think its quite good. One thing though I’ve noticed is that when AT suggests changes, it doesn’t give you any insight as to why. I’m using Intervals.icu to track the analysis and through that, can get a sense of why AT might be adjusting workouts (through ICU analysis insights). Currently, its a “trust the machine” for AT, I would think cyclists would want to get more insights than this. What’s other peoples views?
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With machine learning, there are no predetermined rules of the kind that you are looking for. It is not set up with rules like “If s/he marks an achievable workout very hard, then reduce Progression Level by 0.2” or “If s/he passes a stretch workout and marks it very hard, then increase PL by 0.2”. The machine makes up those kinds of rules in order to optimise some expected outcome. We don’t know what that optimisation goal is – though people have speculated that the machine is being instructed to maximise compliance: that is to provide workouts that it thinks s/he can actually complete.
One implication of this is that the apparent rules that the machine identifies as being suitable for you are different from the ones that it deems suitable for me. So you’re stuck with either trusting the machine or else trying to infer what rules it thinks are appropriate for you.
It’s also the case that the machine only adapts workouts – it cannot [yet?] suggest taking a day off because you are too fatigued; nor can it [yet?] suggest modifying your plan from, say 5 workouts a week to 4 or 6.
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