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I think one of my workouts has fallen out of the AT chain. I don’t believe I have moved or changed it, but I have Smith-2 on the plan tomorrow.

AT adapted last Wednesday’s to Smith-1 and next Wednesday’s to Starr King+3.

Should I just change tomorrow to Smith, or something in the region of 6.0WL?

The reason I assume it’s fallen out is a)it hasn’t adapted, and b) it provides zero alternate workouts under any duration or level :man_shrugging:.

I’ve just tried this and it doesn’t seem to have worked… Does it just take time for the association to show up? I don’t understand why it’s not working for me as I see several posters above saying that it has worked for them.

Went out for a 90 min Z2 ride last night - this morning I have associated it with a 75 minute Z2 workout (Colosseum-1 in this case as I have done it before indoors). However I don’t see any Progressive, Achievable tag etc and no PLs inside the workout:


(West Vidette +1 is showing as Stretch but that’s just because I hadn’t done much endurance in AT… it was not hard).

I also tried disassociating it, scheduling the workout for outside, and just marking it as complete, also with no PL effect.

I had a look at your profile (career page) and your endurance PL is set to 4.8 which matches that endurance workout. So apart from not showing on the workout itself, why do you say it had no PL effect?

Well, two things:

It should come up with a PL even if there are no updates, example from Baxter -2 a couple of weeks back:
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And the ride last night:
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No PL indicated in the workout.

Secondly, the workout has not been tagged as ā€œAchievableā€, which it should have been (with the blue circle below the workout thumbnail:

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Vs:
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Yep I get all that, but you do see that your actual PL has increased, right? Or was it already 4.8 before you did that workout? The rest I view as minor display issues, not that it doesn’t work.

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Sorry, just to clarify… I’m not saying you shouldn’t raise these issues or that they’re minor! I do agree it should show up against the workout. I’m just trying to help work out exactly where the issue lies (and whether the other posters above see the same thing)… It seems to me that the PL has increased, meaning the association HAS worked. The issue is that when viewing the individual workout you don’t ā€œseeā€ the contribution it made.

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Ah, yes, I see what you mean - had not spotted that my PL was 4.8. Unfortunately I don’t know 100% what it was before I made the association! I suppose I could break it again and check. The highest I’d done before was West Vidette +1 on Friday which was marked Stretch 4.5, so possibly it has gone up by 0.3 - just confusing that the ride isn’t tagged as such.

Weirdly, none of my recent TR rides (done through the app) are showing the primary/secondary progressions in the browser any more, but they are in Android - that must be a new bug…

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I’m in! :pray:

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Ahh, yes, hard to say then if it’s worked or not :frowning: I haven’t done any outside stuff in awhile but I do want to try this again soon with the new fix to see how it goes.

And you’re right! I just checked the inside workout I did this evening and the primary/secondary progression is missing there too (on the web - it’s also fine in Android). That’s definitely new, because I was seeing them in the web a few days ago (and Windows/Android both had a bug with it showing different numbers, now fixed). It’s definitely in a state of flux :slight_smile:

I can also confirm two things about this:

  1. The workout I did today, which is NOT showing progressions on the web, did advance my VO2 levels
  2. If I open the workout I did on Sunday, it is showing the progressions on the web - so this new problem only seems to apply to newly completed workouts

Seems like whack-a-mole… Fix one bug and another pops up…

Suppose I should report it!

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Yup, always worth reporting.

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I used to be in the camp of extending workouts to fill time, but now that I use AT, I don’t. The issue is that AT is suggesting 1 hour workouts while I have 2 hours to fill. Is it better to find a 2 hour workout using the alternate workout list, or do the prescribed workout and then a 1 hour endurance workout afterward?

That really depends what you want out of it - doing a 2hr variant of say a threshold workout will be a lot more TSS than doing the 1 hour equivalent and then a 1 hour endurance. Doing an extra hour endurance workout will be closer to what you were doing before.

Just been back through my history - last one which shows progressions on web is State from July 27th. I have 3 more recent TR indoor workouts than that, from August 4th, 6th and 7th, and none of them have PL progressions showing in browser (but the PL progressions do show in the Android app, suggesting it’s a display issue).

I don’t see PL progressions on any platform for the outdoor ride from last night that I manually associated using the new feature, however my PLs on the career page do seem to be correctly updated - this may or may not be a bug…

Reported it anyway.

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Maybe I’m misremembering, but wasn’t there some kind of discrepancy between the apps and the web regarding this? Might just be a continuation of that bug compounded by the new update.

I also don’t see the progressions on the workout page, but my levels are updating with completed workouts outdoors.

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There was a discrepancy, where web showed the correct progression and the apps were showing all sorts of weird progressions (it would say the wrong category, or the wrong before → after levels etc, or both).

But that got fixed, it was OK for a while, and now I have a new bug where the web doesn’t show any before and after levels at all :slight_smile:

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Just got in today, want to confirm my understanding of current state. Are the following all true?

  1. PLs are incorrectly calculated for custom workouts, but applied if you ride the workout
  2. PLs are not applied if you ride outside and associate with indoor TR workout (either regular or custom)
  3. PLs are applied for outdoor scheduled workouts if you select the outdoor variant on the calendar
  4. PLs are only applied if the workout is scheduled prior to workout push from headunit or Strava

If the above is correct, if I want to get PLs for custom workouts, I just need to find a roughly equivalent workout in the category that has an outdoor variant and schedule it in the calendar?

I also got in today and have a couple of questions:

  1. my current plan (via plan builder) ends next week after which i will go on a two-week holiday from the bike. Does it make sense to transition to adaptive training now? or should I wait until I am back in early September and then build a new plan with AT?

  2. I usually have my PM connected to Zwift and follow the prompts on the TR app (but without having power connected). I then upload the Zwift workout to TR and match this Zwift session with the planned TR workout. Is my understanding correct that this won’t work with AT? The matched workouts seem to be recognised as outside workouts e.g ā€œOutsideEndurance 4.1ā€.

  • PLs are automatically calculated for custom workouts. TR used auto calculation and manual auditing on the TR workout catalog. Therefore PL assignment might be different and inconsistent.

  • PL updating was enhanced last week. Last week these two outdoor, custom workouts that were assigned by my coach and synced from TrainingPeaks:

were responsible for bumping my Endurance and VO2Max to 5.3. But it doesn’t show on the tiles, as it would for indoor workouts. I’m using a Garmin to record.

So right now the Friday announcement is a bit interesting and we are discovering what works and what doesn’t.

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