Anecdote:
I did a 6000ā climbing day on Saturday, 4000ā Sunday on my 40 pound enduro bike. I do have a PM, but I didnāt notice the TSS as I donāt care. AT didnāt care at all about those rides. I still had the same workout scheduled on Monday.
Was away from home the past 2 weeks, so no vlogging while I was away, so caught up today with a video on my past few weeks. Managed to get a full training load using a stages spin bike since I didnāt bring any of my bikes. I had access to some primo gravel roads too, which was sad lol
Is there a way to tell AT to ignore a particular workout? I have a couple of custom workouts that have really messed up my PLsā¦ For one I went back and changed the survey result to āvery hardā but it didnāt seem to do anything, and now I am out of the 7 day window. The other one was a fail, but maxed out the PL anyway.
This is such good news, loads of us only train indoors and donāt care about outside āissuesā, it seems like AT works great for us and weāre still waiting to get onto the beta. Happy days and letās hope new update doesnāt cause too many bugs. Cheers for update Nate.
Hi All - sorry as always question may of been answered beforeā¦
Today I did a āProductiveā vo2 max workout (Baird +2 modified in workout creator to add some z2 at the end for 30mins).
It had a PL of 6.7 which was a step up of +.3 from my last vo2 max workout, Kern +4 and as such I was expecting to see an increase in my overall PL level for vo2 maxā¦but the Baird +2 workout today shows a negative -2.1 PL adjustment.
I am not on a plan (using TrainNow and self selecting workouts if that makes a difference).
Is this normal behaviour and if so what am I missing?
Thanks,
I had a very similar issue with a Progressive Starr King Threshold workout today (negative rating, and an Endurance progression). I just heard back from Support and there is an issue that popped up overnight and they are waiting for the Developers to have a look at it
I had McGregor +1 (3 x 20 @ 92% with 1-minute breaks during each 20-minute interval) on the calendar today with my usual modifications to lengthen the warmup and more intensity during longer recovery intervals. Due to three days in a row of below average sleep I had to dial it down to 88%. AT still rated it as a pass even though I was expecting to get the āstruggleā survey at the end. Also, it shows as a Breakthrough tempo workout (probably because I dialed it down to the low end of sweet spot) but downgraded my tempo PL by -0.2.
My sweet spot PL has been at 8.3 for a while even though I havenāt completed a sweet spot workout at that level in three weeks (26 June). Now, in fairness to AT, I inserted a recovery week due to family visiting and did a longer outdoor ride last weekend instead of the prescribed workouts.
No complaints, just find it interesting. Below is a screen capture of the completed workout from the TR app as well as two custom graphs that Iām using to track changes in my PLs over time (both show the same data, just in different formats).
@IvyAudrain
I accepted the beta invite and have been dutifully following a training plan, making use of AT, etc
Is there an āofficialā venue for feedback, or is it sufficient that I simply use the product and you can collect the usage results on the backend?
Want to make sure Iām actually contributing to the beta, rather than just using the features!
I do this as well. I often also add TrainNow workouts if I am looking for a little extra work that week or day. If you move your scheduled workout, it will no longer be adapted or changed if an adaptation is accepted. However, as I understand it, once accomplished, it will contribute to future adaptations like adding a workout should do (again as I understand it.). If I move a workout I do so at the last minute. If I skip one I will drop a planned day off on top of it at the last minute.
If you find any anomalies / bugs, you should report those to support@trainerroad.com for them to look into
Iām sure this has been mentioned (and Iām equally sure Iāve read it).
Started a new plan today. Added to calendar via Plan Builder, no shuffling of workouts, all workouts being done outdoors.
Did Ritter (Threshold 5.2) and pretty much nailed it - the āoversā in the first set were slightly low as I eased off before the interval ended but those in later sets were all well above the target power.
Got home, saved the ride and it was uploaded to Garmin then pulled into TR. I refreshed the Calendar via the website and was offered adaptations. AT knocked 0.8 off the level and changed the next workout. At this point I hadnāt even been offered a survey. When I opened up the ride, I got the failure survey, chose āI didnāt struggleā then selected āModerateā from the pass survey. No further adaptations were offered.
Is there an assumption that the survey (pass or fail) has been completed prior to accepting adaptations? I donāt use the app away from the trainer so it may be that this is a āraceā condition in the calendar: refreshing the calendar instigates the adaptations but without refreshing it you canāt get to the workout to fill out the survey to say you didnāt fail!
without seeing the power graph my guess is going well above target is the reason for fail survey. And since I joined the beta several weeks ago, it appears that once AT deems it a fail, selecting āI didnāt struggleā will not update PLs.
(side note: IMHO fail is the wrong term)
speculating based on your reportā¦ it appears that once AT deems a workout fail then it proceeds down the adaptation path without regard to the survey.
āWell above targetā was about 7%, hereās the workout: https://www.trainerroad.com/app/career/bobw/rides/114291833-ritter, ignore the big hill at the end, thatās just me getting home!
it does look like you hit some traffic lights mid-intervals (I hate auto-pauseā¦). And that is a tough over/under structure to hit outside if AT is using strict compliance to target as criteria for pass/fail survey.
Here is Echo -3 in Garmin Connect so you can see the targets:
and zoomed into first half to remove the middle traffic related hard acceleration:
and second half without another traffic related hard acceleration:
Same in TR with tempo highlighting:
From TR description:
āEcho -3 is 50 total minutes of Tempo work broken into 8x6-minute segments ranging from 75-85% FTP.ā
Looks pretty compliant to meā¦ However there was a lot of Friday night traffic and therefore a lot of short stops and slowdowns.
AT is so strict it gave me the fail survey.
@AlphaDogCycling is right, support@trainerroad.com! Thanks for contributing, the more feedback we receive, the better we can do as a team to isolate issues and identify common points of confusion that are easily preventable! Cheers.
Actually I was riding the same road back and forth, no lights but I had to pause the workout near the end of the road before it met a busy main road then turn round and start things up again.
Being able to tell AT that it isnāt a āfailedā workout before it makes its judgements would seem to be rather pertinent.
Last night I did some 2 minute intervals, had to turn around because of a busy road:
About a 9 second turnaround from threshold back to threshold power. My preference is to (always) keep the clock running and add some time at the end (= shorten the recovery interval). No significant drop in heart rate or breathing on that turnaround. Again Iād say that is personal preference. On the other hand, auto-pause drops data and distorts the picture so I turn it off.
Although its software, not sure how easy that would be for TR to implement. Unless it uses that info to zero out the workoutās PL and plan adjustments.
@bobw in any case, I agree with your point and would fire off an email to support.
So w/ wahoo units they donāt get the ID of the workoutā¦ but likeā¦ what am I missing here? Itās on the calendar? It seems like this is a no-brainer. When I ride outside, it already matches the ride I did with the workout that was on the calendar by default and if I didnāt do that workout I have to go in and manually set it to say that it was an unplanned ride.
I get that for rides not on the calendar they need some way to associate with a workoutā¦ but isnāt that the less frequent case?
I hit pause at the end of one of the 15sec intervals, slow, turn round, start pedalling and hit start and then do the subsequent 45sec interval so I wasnāt interrupting any of the intervals. I might have missed the exact point by a second or two but no more than that.
My point about the ordering is that AT is meant to take into account how you answer the survey (whichever one is presented) but when you use the Calendar itās already made the adaptations before you get the chance to do so. (just seen your updated post that agrees with that)
