CONFIRMED. Your Career Page āProgression Levelsā area is the only safe place to accurately show your PLs right now haha. Apologies for all the confusion and trouble, weāre hustling to get that fixed. As many of these bugs turn out, its trickier under the hood than it seems. ![]()
I hope that fix for the progression levels dropping after an FTP test isnāt in yet, because I just did a test today and all my levels dropped by ~4.
Hi there, after my Ramp Test today ALL progression levels went down to 1.0; before the ramp test, they have been between 5.4 - 2.3 - 3.7 - 4.5 - 5.8 - 1.1 - 1.0.
The (very gentle and ultra fast!) chat support at first responded, āIn short, Progression Levels automatically adjust if FTP changes, and while I canāt explain the exact workings here, the Levels preserve their relative relationship with each other and learn from the outcomes of your previous Ramp Tests to optimize how they adjust.ā
Then the support wrote: āBecause your FTP increase was so significant, it caused all of them to reset. If your FTP increased only a small bit, then they would all lower, but likely at different rates.ā
Furthermore the calculated FTP gain of 1,2% is wrong. It is 12,4% (217 x 1,124 = 244). Are there any negative consequences regarding the adaptions with this wrong gain percentage?
What do you guys mean: everything correct here or should I contact again the support?
Iād try again with Support. I canāt believe that this is the intended design of Adaptive Training.
If it is intended, it leaves the athlete with no option but to try and choose a PL somewhere at or below their old numbers for their first workout (if they happened to screen shot them), or selecting the clearly ridiculous level of 1. How do they make that decision? Surely AT can do better with a reasonable guess to start with that gets tweaked up or down based on the outcome of the first workouts.
Itās not listed as a bug, so I hope this isnāt the solution!
in my case, I have avoided making any changes to my FTP on Beta for this very reason. Iām just progressing the PLās. Not ideal, but there is the benefit of progressing the PLās further than i have ever done before (Threshold at least).
Thank you @PWeber. I was so happy after increasing my FTP today and now I am kind of frustrated because I donāt know what happens to the planned workouts and my further progression, if the workouts will not be adapted right. I wasnāt aware of that āafter ramp test progression level situationā.
217 to 244 is a big jump (it is clearly 12.4% - they are right there - 244-217=27, 27/217=0.124, 0.124=12.4%). I would expect a big reduction in PL as well. Whether they should all be 1 - I donāt know, but itās possibly reasonable.
Thanks @bobmcstuff . If you have also done a ramp test: was the app calculation in your case right or also wrong as in my case?
It is absolutely reasonable that if your FTP changes your PLs will also change - if you imagine completing a SS workout at 217 FTP where the intervals are at say 206 (95%), itās going to be very, very difficult with a 12% FTP bump - the intervals would be 232 instead! The PLs are relative to your FTP - if your FTP changes, so will the PLs.
I reduced my FTP following a bout of food poisoning - my PLs increased to match (kind of the inverse of your situation). I canāt interrogate the underlying logic/maths, but the workouts felt OK afterwards.
Most people rarely if ever see FTP bumps that big at once, you should be stoked! ![]()
Can someone clarify what level workouts AT comes up with after resetting PLās to 1.0?
Do you get a workout at level 1, the base workout from the non adapted published plan for that stage of the plan, or something else?
I havenāt had everything reset to 1.0 but I did have a large reduction in PLs after my last ramp test and my Threshold level went from 3.1 to 1.3. It was at 3.1 because Iād struggled in a 4.4 a few weeks earlier, and in subsequent weeks I had events on the weekend which meant I hadnāt actually done any further threshold workouts. Going to 1.3 seemed a bit much, when my FTP rise after the ramp test was tiny.
I can confirm that my very next workout was reduced to Buttertubs +2 (Threshold 1.6) - listed as productive at the time. I probably could have used alternates to go a bit higher, but Iāve decided to just go with things for now. I then went through Centennial -2 (Threshold 2.3) the week after, then Charlotte (Threshold 2.9) the week after that.
So now my level hasnāt even reached what it was prior and Iām back in another recovery week!
At this rate I can imagine my threshold level never increase beyond 3/4, and I can see why some would be worried about being undercooked by this. For now Iām just happy to not be overcooked, and going with the flow
If it becomes more of a concern I think choosing a harder alternate would short-circuit things.
I assume that eventually (soon I hope?) manual FTP updates will have the same effect on PLs as doing a ramp test? Asking for those of us who adjust on feel every few weeks and/or do the Kolie Moore test instead of the ramp ![]()
Hope Iām not adding more chaos with my special snowflake comments lol. Looking forward to seeing AT get more fleshed out and mature with each update. Keep up the good work, TR!
Thanks. I assumed that would be how it works, but i asked the question in the hope it might be different!
I think I will stick with my PL progressions at this point as I think any gains in FTP would be marginal (if any at all) as I canāt match longer FTP test results in Ramp Tests anyway
Iām considering doing the same, heading into specialty now, but havenāt decided yet.
One thing to be fair - in my case part of the reason my PLs flatlined is because I had a few weeks with B events which replaced workouts. If the work I did in those events counted towards PLs, it wouldnāt be so bad. So once that work is done I think it will be much better.
Question. I am running AT and am in my last week of the build and next week start my specialty section. Should there not be a ftp test for the specialty? Or is AT increasing the workouts so that a ftp test is not needed?
Hmm Iām starting century specialty next week and a ramp test is scheduled. Iām not sure if there are cases where plan builder skips it for specialty? I canāt say Iāve ever seen that. Is your specialty phase being shortened by plan builder due to the timing you had available? That could explain it.
I can confirm that I donāt have one in the middle of the specialty phase, but thatās as per the plan.
Yes you are correct. My 700Km Rockies Stage race is 3 weeks into specialty. Seems pretty advanced if its skipping the Ramp test to focus on structure.
Still kind of want a ramp test to see. lol.
Is there definitely a difference as it stands? I thought it just went off change in FTPā¦

You should definitely raise a ticket with TR Support regarding that UI display mis-calculation error (wrongly stating 1.2% instead of 12.4%). I donāt recall anyone else posting about that issue previously, so perhaps itās crept in recently. ![]()
Thanks for your advice. I have sent that email right now to the support.



