So w/ wahoo units they donāt get the ID of the workoutā¦ but likeā¦ what am I missing here? Itās on the calendar? It seems like this is a no-brainer. When I ride outside, it already matches the ride I did with the workout that was on the calendar by default and if I didnāt do that workout I have to go in and manually set it to say that it was an unplanned ride.
I get that for rides not on the calendar they need some way to associate with a workoutā¦ but isnāt that the less frequent case?
I hit pause at the end of one of the 15sec intervals, slow, turn round, start pedalling and hit start and then do the subsequent 45sec interval so I wasnāt interrupting any of the intervals. I might have missed the exact point by a second or two but no more than that.
My point about the ordering is that AT is meant to take into account how you answer the survey (whichever one is presented) but when you use the Calendar itās already made the adaptations before you get the chance to do so. (just seen your updated post that agrees with that)
Whereās the right place to whinge about Plan Builder? I wasnāt using it before AT so Iāve only just started playing with it really as otherwise I donāt get adaptations.
I had an event scheduled 15th August (set it as A just for plan builder reasons but its only a sportive really), but Iāve now entered a 6hr MTB event 26th September. So I followed what I thought I was meant to do and put in a new plan backdated to when I started the old plan.
Before I did that I had a rest week scheduled next week, which I feel like I really needed as Iāve had 4 hard weeks in a row including a 10hr ride last weekend. But PB has switched the rest week for another work week next week which I donāt think I can doā¦ If you backdate it why doesnāt it look at what youāve done so far and schedule something more sensible?
I also find the time off adjustments useless - it seems to just skip those workouts. Iāve had a couple of weeks where Iāve been away but with the bike, so Iād rather have those set as rest weeks. There needs to be a function to specify when you want your rest weeks to be I think (or to force PB to treat a week off as a rest week).
At the moment Iām finding PB more annoying than just using the fixed blocks and rearranging them like I did before AT - but because I am in AT I am forced to use PB even though itās not helping me.
Itās not like I was wholesale changing the plans or anything before - all I would do was push/pull the odd week and move workout days based on other commitments. But both of these break the link with PB.
Guess it is a case of choosing your training religion and living by the rules. It also seems to me that what Coach Chad says on deep dives, and what the TR platform does, can be two different things. And this wouldnāt be the first time Iāve seen fitness gains despite going against conventional TR wisdomā¦ Like Nate says, more than one way to get fast!
Has anyone else noticed inconsistencies with progression levels? Yes, I refreshed the webpage and I relaunched the application and both still display differences.
Also, is it normal for a recovery ride to drop progression despite marking it easy?
Anyone else not being asked to answer survey after completing outside workouts? Confusing.
Looked at yesterdays workout and instead of seeing Missing Response on web app, all Iām seeing is a really tiny ā?ā and in mobile/desktop apps it shows Success. That seems odd and incorrect behavior.
Here are steps from last night:
Custom workout on TR calendar (came from TrainingPeaks)
completed outside on Garmin
on TR web app, pulled up workout and edited name
And today:
shows missing response under Recent Workouts on Career page (web)
shows as Success in mobile and desktop apps
shows as ? on web
in web app I navigate to workout, click on ? and can answer āI didnāt struggle with this workout"
in mobile app (latest beta) I navigate to workout, click on Success and āHow did this effort feel?ā appears without any responses listed. Unable to update survey on mobile app.
in desktop app (latest beta) I navigate to workout, click on āā¦" and select āUpdate Survey Responseā and there is no āI didnāt struggle with this workoutā
Issues:
after completing an outside custom workouts I am not asked to rate on web, mobile, or desktop apps
three different apps, confusing that there are three different UIs to update survey
web app shows missing response, mobile and desktop show Success
unable to update survey on latest mobile beta app
desktop beta app missing the option āI didnāt struggle with this workoutā
I turned it off a week ago and rebuilt my training plan. Yet after many workouts it is still trying to offer me adaptations within the app which is really annoying since Iām doing lots of outside workouts that are not recognized. Quit trying to make my plan easier! Report submitted still waiting to hear the outcome
Ok, can somebody tell me if this sounds right?? I completed a workout with a PL below my current PL. I rated it Moderate because it did have 60 minutes of tempo. I could easily have done more but it wasnāt easy.
My progression level then got reduced by -1.
I contacted support and this is the response it go back:
"Thank you for reaching out to our Customer Support team! =)
It seems as though your Progression Level was 5.4 and then you completed Cumberland -2 which has a level of 4.4. Your progression Level dropped because the rideās progression level was lower than your progression level. This means that Adaptive Training is working correctly! I would not stress about this because Progression Levels are not an indication of fitness and you should rather focus on improving your FTP."
What theā¦. Am I reading this incorrectly?? @IvyAudrain?
If what they say is the case, then what happens when i complete a recovery workout such as Obelisk (endurance 1.0) whilst my Endurance PL is 5.5. Would my PL then take a hit??? That comment from TR support just has to be incorrect.
The good news is that despite the apparent negative PL adjustments, the PLās on the Career page were adjusted upwards correctly.
The treatment within the workout detail was a bit off too.
Starr King Threshold only had a Primary Progression for Endurance and showed as Stretch , and Antelope SS only had a Primary Progression for Tempo and also showed as Stretch
Something I noticed afterwards and is similar to that problem reported by @IceBear - prior to the workout my threshold PL was 5.2, Ritter has a difficulty rating of āThreshold 4.4ā so the āreductionā I saw was AT matching the workout difficulty rather than a failure as such. However ā¦
If I go to my career page (actually āwentā as something has changed overnight) then my Threshold PL is still 5.2. That was last night. I looked at my career page a moment ago and my Threshold PL is 6.2 and the workout is marked as āAchievable -1.8ā i.e. thereās a difference of 1.0 between the values I saw yesterday evening and those today. Thatās similar to what @PWeber is describing.
Support have confirmed it is a bug; Iāve also confirmed the reduction is only showing on the workout. On my career page my actual progression levels have not been reduced. (Same as several reports above)
Sure sounds like a bug and I get that TR will likely fix it quickly.
Aside from that, Iām not thrilled to hear about another questionable response from support. The comments from support are nonsense and another example of bad and misleading info from support.
This follows the Pass survey responses from support (multiple occasions and reps apparently) that were giving questionable and contradictory information.
It raises serious doubt in my mind about what we can or cannot trust since there seems to be some communication issues between TR proper and support agents. I suggest that TR review these mistakes and do what is needed to correct the problem.
I have real respect for TR support based on my past experiences, but these recent issues are not great examples and need to be improved.
Donāt know if this has been answered alreadyā¦almost 4000 posts are hard to go through
How does AT know with the surveys if a person is just a whiner (lets say passing workouts but always saying it was too hard) or at the other end of the spectrum, somebody who says everything is easy but just barely passes the workouts?
How does one ācalibrateā perceived exertion to guide the AI correctly? For example: a good sweetspot workout should be hard or moderate or very hard?
By the way I also got negative progression on a passed workout too.
Hopefully the machine learning learns this. So if AT thinks a workout should be ā3. Hardā and someone rates it ā1. Easyā and does so consistently then it should be adjusting the input accordingly.
Thereās a post from @IvyAudrain either in this thread or the Easy vs Moderate vs Hard thread about what each level should indicate.
lol.
Report submitted still waiting to hear the outcome
