Guess it is a case of choosing your training religion and living by the rules. It also seems to me that what Coach Chad says on deep dives, and what the TR platform does, can be two different things. And this wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen fitness gains despite going against conventional TR wisdom… Like Nate says, more than one way to get fast!
Has anyone else noticed inconsistencies with progression levels? Yes, I refreshed the webpage and I relaunched the application and both still display differences.
Also, is it normal for a recovery ride to drop progression despite marking it easy?
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Anyone else not being asked to answer survey after completing outside workouts? Confusing.
Looked at yesterdays workout and instead of seeing Missing Response on web app, all I’m seeing is a really tiny “?” and in mobile/desktop apps it shows Success. That seems odd and incorrect behavior.
Here are steps from last night:
- Custom workout on TR calendar (came from TrainingPeaks)
- completed outside on Garmin
- on TR web app, pulled up workout and edited name
And today:
- shows missing response under Recent Workouts on Career page (web)
- shows as Success in mobile and desktop apps
- shows as ? on web
- in web app I navigate to workout, click on ? and can answer “I didn’t struggle with this workout"
- in mobile app (latest beta) I navigate to workout, click on Success and “How did this effort feel?” appears without any responses listed. Unable to update survey on mobile app.
- in desktop app (latest beta) I navigate to workout, click on “…" and select “Update Survey Response” and there is no “I didn’t struggle with this workout”
Issues:
- after completing an outside custom workouts I am not asked to rate on web, mobile, or desktop apps
- three different apps, confusing that there are three different UIs to update survey
- web app shows missing response, mobile and desktop show Success
- unable to update survey on latest mobile beta app
- desktop beta app missing the option “I didn’t struggle with this workout”
Screenshots:
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shows as Success in mobile and desktop apps:
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shows as ? on web
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Fail survey on desktop beta app is missing the “I didn’t struggle with this workout”
Email sent to support.
It’s a new bug from yesterday and Support have passed it on to the developers
My AT won’t die!!! 
lol.
I turned it off a week ago and rebuilt my training plan. Yet after many workouts it is still trying to offer me adaptations within the app which is really annoying since I’m doing lots of outside workouts that are not recognized. Quit trying to make my plan easier! 
Report submitted still waiting to hear the outcome
Ok, can somebody tell me if this sounds right?? I completed a workout with a PL below my current PL. I rated it Moderate because it did have 60 minutes of tempo. I could easily have done more but it wasn’t easy.
My progression level then got reduced by -1.
I contacted support and this is the response it go back:
"Thank you for reaching out to our Customer Support team! =)
It seems as though your Progression Level was 5.4 and then you completed Cumberland -2 which has a level of 4.4. Your progression Level dropped because the ride’s progression level was lower than your progression level. This means that Adaptive Training is working correctly! I would not stress about this because Progression Levels are not an indication of fitness and you should rather focus on improving your FTP."
What the…. Am I reading this incorrectly?? @IvyAudrain?
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If what they say is the case, then what happens when i complete a recovery workout such as Obelisk (endurance 1.0) whilst my Endurance PL is 5.5. Would my PL then take a hit??? That comment from TR support just has to be incorrect.
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Sounds wrong to me and more like this bug mentioned above: 🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉 - #3957 by PotsieA
I’ve never seen a lower level workout rated moderate decrease my PLs.
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A bit more detail of the problem for those who strike something similar and wonder what is going on.
I completed Starr King Productive Threshold yesterday and it showed as Productive on the Past Rides page and a -1.9 PL adjustment.
I then did Antelope Productive SS today and it also showed as Productive on the Past Rides page and a -1.4 PL adjustment.
The good news is that despite the apparent negative PL adjustments, the PL’s on the Career page were adjusted upwards correctly.
The treatment within the workout detail was a bit off too.
Starr King Threshold only had a Primary Progression for Endurance and showed as Stretch , and Antelope SS only had a Primary Progression for Tempo and also showed as Stretch
All a bit weird, but the team are on to it.
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Have done.
Something I noticed afterwards and is similar to that problem reported by @IceBear - prior to the workout my threshold PL was 5.2, Ritter has a difficulty rating of “Threshold 4.4” so the “reduction” I saw was AT matching the workout difficulty rather than a failure as such. However …
If I go to my career page (actually “went” as something has changed overnight) then my Threshold PL is still 5.2. That was last night. I looked at my career page a moment ago and my Threshold PL is 6.2 and the workout is marked as “Achievable -1.8” i.e. there’s a difference of 1.0 between the values I saw yesterday evening and those today. That’s similar to what @PWeber is describing.
I’ll update my ticket with the above info.
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Support have confirmed it is a bug; I’ve also confirmed the reduction is only showing on the workout. On my career page my actual progression levels have not been reduced. (Same as several reports above)
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Sure sounds like a bug and I get that TR will likely fix it quickly.
Aside from that, I’m not thrilled to hear about another questionable response from support. The comments from support are nonsense and another example of bad and misleading info from support.
This follows the Pass survey responses from support (multiple occasions and reps apparently) that were giving questionable and contradictory information.
It raises serious doubt in my mind about what we can or cannot trust since there seems to be some communication issues between TR proper and support agents. I suggest that TR review these mistakes and do what is needed to correct the problem.
I have real respect for TR support based on my past experiences, but these recent issues are not great examples and need to be improved.
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yeah, that’s a pretty poor response. Sounds like training is needed as this agent clearly misunderstands how it works.
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Don’t know if this has been answered already…almost 4000 posts are hard to go through 
How does AT know with the surveys if a person is just a whiner (lets say passing workouts but always saying it was too hard) or at the other end of the spectrum, somebody who says everything is easy but just barely passes the workouts?
How does one “calibrate” perceived exertion to guide the AI correctly? For example: a good sweetspot workout should be hard or moderate or very hard?
By the way I also got negative progression on a passed workout too.
Hopefully the machine learning learns this. So if AT thinks a workout should be “3. Hard” and someone rates it “1. Easy” and does so consistently then it should be adjusting the input accordingly.
There’s a post from @IvyAudrain either in this thread or the Easy vs Moderate vs Hard thread about what each level should indicate.
I think that’s exactly why the initial guidance was just to rate each workout according to your own perception on the scale.
Obviously it’s got a lot murkier since.
Yep, seems to be a bug. I also asked about it in this thread yesterday. Seems this morning’s workout is also showing a drop in progression…
It really sounds like TR doesn’t have an internal FAQ / knowledge base for its support team on AT. So there isn’t a common understanding for how AT should work.
I work for a SaaS company, and with every release / introduction of a new product, our product managers do TOIs (transfer of information) & KBs for our support team, so support understands new product / features and correctly and consistently can respond to customer questions / issues.
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Something is clearly off for them to not be on that same page. Maybe they didn’t read their TPS reports 
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Hmm, just did Tunnabora - Log In to TrainerRoad, should have been tomorrow but decided to do it now. Got the “pass” survey, gave “Easy” as the answer, well because it was. Was spot on with the power figures and was pretty consistent - that road was resurfaced recently and there’s a “join” at the top - I was within two bike lengths of that on each interval.
The Calendar shows -1.7 for Sweet Spot PL but there’s nothing on the workout page linked to.