The team have said as bugs are resolved more people will be added and as it becomes more stable that will increase just as past releases have gone.
However there is no set timeline for it other than the future
That is helpful information.
Thank you.
Has anyone in the beta managed to complete a over under style workout outside and have it register as a pass. . I have done 5 or 6 now and not been able to progress my threshold level. I beleive I have completed them all well. I did a indoor OE just to move my level on a little, but I really prefer to do my saturday OE sessions out doors.
Based on what Iāve seen from others in the thread, it appears that the outdoor workouts are not as lenient as the indoor ones. Iād take down some notes and share the experience with the support email so they have more data points to improve it. Youāre not the only one with that experience right now.
Have been using adaptive training for past couple weeks. Just a couple questons.
I did a ramp test and it put my FTP down from what I was using before. I think this is because Iām really bad at v02 stuff so struggle with this format of testing. As such Iām finding the sweet spot and base workouts too easy so I tend to ramp up the intensity up to 110% or higher sometimes. This gives me a decent workout. When I answer the survey should I be basing my answers on the way I actually completed the workout (with the intensity turned up), or should I base it on how easy it was before I turned the intensity up?
Interesting question. Iād argue the latter, and I assume thatās how the system would work (comparing to the base workout), but it would be good to have the input of the devs on it.
Base it on what you actually did (including any modification) and how that felt.
None of mine have. I ended up using the progression levels to self select the Thursday workouts in the Short Power Build. Because of bad weather I did the last one indoors which changed my progression levels some but AT seems to struggle with shorter, harder intervals. I did Junction today outdoors which again wasnāt seen as successful (and it certainly wasnāt as clearcut a āpassā as the other over/under workouts Iāve done but werenāt seen as successful) but went OK.
One other issue that Iāve run into is that AT is beginning to suggest rides that donāt have outside options. Iām only intending to ride indoors if I have to so those will end up being changed to something substantially similar if they arenāt changed again in the meantime. Just because AT exists and can suggest workouts for us to do doesnāt mean that we are passengers in the process.
Said only slightly with tongue in cheek Iād find a more accurate way of assessing threshold than a ramp testš
Surely you have to base it on what you actually did? Otherwise AT has no chance of assessing how things are going if your replies are based on something you might have done rather than what you did.
If you are that far above the workout targets you should be awarded a super pass anyway. Iāve never seen one and I donāt know if anybody has but that might happen in your scenario and AT adapt things accordingly.
Thanks, I just didnāt want it to think what was an easy workout was actually harder than it was and it give me even easier workouts in the future!
If you are that far above the workout targets you should be awarded a super pass anyway. Iāve never seen one and I donāt know if anybody has but that might happen in your scenario and AT adapt things accordingly.
Never had a super pass or know what that looks like.
Said only slightly with tongue in cheek Iād find a more accurate way of assessing threshold than a ramp testš
haha not sure if this is directed at me or at TR. I was hoping AT would take care of this part for me and give me harder sweetspot because Iām better at it. That said I think I might be a special case as I really suck at V02. I did race start intervals on Bonbcliff -1 and while I was fine for the sweetspot portion at 110%, the race start section would be way too hard. So ended up having to have the race start at 100% and then turning up just the sweetspot section.
Thatās wild. Itās only 30 seconds at 150%, so it should be totally doable to knock it out. Itās like surging up a rider on the road and settling back into tempoā¦ Howās your cadence? I find I need to be 100 rpm or higher to hit 150% and then I back it down to 90-95 for the Sweetspot sections.
In continued āIām glad I ignored the adaptationsā newsā¦
A.T. wanted me on a 5.5, which seemed pretty stupid given I have a rest week next week.
Unrelated, Iām quite surprised at how big a secondary progression itās given me there. I guess Iāll work with it though.
I think the idea was that if you were significantly above workout targets rather than just being seen as successful then AT would view the workout as a āsuperpassā and adapt future workouts accordingly. Whether this has actually been implemented I donāt know as Iāve not heard it talked about for some time but it was supposed to be part of the AT system.
Aimed at you, me and TR 
Maybe not as extreme as your example but the ramp test is poor for me as a threshold assessment well and not something I use but thatās s discussion for another thread 
AT should take care of that for you and generally itās worked well for me in that regard with workouts that are either one intensity or another but I donāt know how it assesses workouts with elements of both. Whether the intervals in workouts like Bondcliff are viewed as Primary and Secondary elements or taken as as whole Iām not sure.
I think in your position Iād leave the workout at 100%, ride above the target levels if you think thats good for you, assess it as such and see how AT views it. If there are other purely sweetspot workouts in your plan, appropriate progression levels should be derived from those.
I applied the day it was launched, have been a TR subscriber since it started and I got in last week, butā¦
ā¦frankly its just not for purpose and is a long way from being of use for many. It will only be of use if you create a plan with Plan Builder, donāt use any custom workouts and donāt move any workouts or do them outside. I donāt know to many people that fit into this. Iāve come to realise that AT is of zero use to me until a LOT has been fixed. I have a nagging doubt in my mind that it will ever really fit the bill personally.
We should be seeing the levels release today hopefully.
Yep
I must admit I am coming to the same conclusion (Not zero use, but limited use) until these more practical issues are fixed. Plan builder does not work for me as my A races are closer together than 8 weeks and and I am building to 100mTTs (not usually recognised). Also I move stuff around in the race season to suit b and c races and I do purposeful outdoor sessions with a Wahoo. That said we are promised that these issues will be fixed, āand soonā.
However I am sure the workout progressions will be useful.
Also AT should be useful for an overall view of progress and balance across zones, and I would like to see that. I am not holding my breath. I am getting on with my training from chosen plans as usual.
Agreed - has potential and I look forward to having it as part of the subscription.
I have just bought a Fascat 18 week SST plan for next winter so will be interested to see how AT might tweak the workouts in that and if/how it changes the structure. But thats a loooong way off for now thank goodnessā¦
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