Any word on how long before the Beta turns into Prod and available for all? It is pretty heavily marketed on sign up (though is acknowledged itās in Beta), would be keen to get it happening as my training has adhoc group rides which need to integrate into my training schedule.
I wouldnāt expect it within the next month. Thereās quite a bit still to fix.
Edit - Unrelated, cross checking some of my schedule against the plans Iāve noticed that there are some strange inconsistencies brought about by the level system. Quite a few āprogressionsā in the plan that actually end up having you do an arguably easier ride, one of which is Galena (7.8) in week one vs Eclipse (7.0) in week two before McGregor (5.5) in week three.
Iām sure there is method to it, but it still looks sort of wrong.
Iām assuming itās doing more then just making your workouts the hardest you can handle so I wonder how AT does the easier workouts.
Apologies but this is a huge thread and no doubt the answer is in here.
Message edited - hadnāt deleted existing workouts.
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Yeah this is accurate for me as well, and I donāt think thatās wrong at all. If a VO2 workout feels moderate or hard, it likely means that your level has increased. And sometimes VO2 is intended to be all out, so that isnāt necessarily bad either.
For hard starts or spiky stuff, I tend to think about the workout overall after fishing how I feel with each interval. With each interval Iām asking myself where I would rank the workout. Sometimes it goes up and sometimes it stays the same as the workout progresses. By the last interval I tend to have a good indication of how it felt overall and thatās what Iāll mark in the survey. The way I see it, the answer to the survey can hardly be incorrect if I always answer in good faith.
Just got the invite into AT.
Was curious what the points or rankings for each workout mean (ex. Townsend = endurance 4.1) and do these rankings change depending on how you do the workout (intensity level) or if you extend and do some extra?
The numeric levels for each workout donāt change, but how they compare to your levels will change. The blog post explains how it works:
Lucky lucky lucky sods!
Anybody willing to give me the progression levels for a list workouts?
Not sure if the best place to ask but thought I would give it a try. I am not currently in the AT beta (boo!) but wanted to see from those who are how AT might alter a current situation/ progression challenge I am facing.
Currently I am in SusPB MV and had to lower the intensity of the most recent vo2max workout (Raymond +7) in the final interval, bringing it down from from prescribed 8m at 107% to 8m at 102%. No big deal but the whole workout was very challenging and I would of noted so on the post ride survey if I was in the beta.
This week I now have Elephants +4 in the calendar but ideally had I been in the beta I would of had a suggested adaptation to give me something more suitable to bridge the gap following my Raymond +7 experience.
What do we think AT would likely suggest to bridge the gap between (a very hard) Raymond +7 workout and planned Elephants +4 workout? Iām willing to swap out Elephants +4 to try it 
Thanks!
Somehow I was one of the first entrants into the beta. I just finished four weeks plus a rest week and I think Iām going to take a pause on AT for a bit. It was just too hard. Or the progression was too aggressive. Hereās a stretch workout. Oh, you finished it? Everything is this intensity now.
Within a couple of weeks, every workout except my Wednesday 0.76 IF hour was a 0.85 to 0.9x IF for 90-120 minutes. I was absolutely smoked by the time I got to my rest week. I did the rest week almost exactly as prescribed except for combining two weekdays into a single ride and crashed and burned in my ramp test the first week back. I donāt think I truly lost 17 watts, especially still coming back from a nasty case of COVID in October that knocked me down ~50 watts by the time I could train again. I think my legs were still too tired from the build.
I have been on TR since 2013 or 2014 and a very dedicated indoor rider during that entire time. I started to dread workouts and needed quite the combo of caffeine and stimulating media to survive the 4-5 sets of 15-20 minutes at threshold. My A event is in 9 weeks and I think Iām going to handpick my workouts until then. I donāt need all of the VO2 and threshold for a 5 day stage event that will mostly be about survival.
Not sure we can help (may need TR proper to step in), but out of curiosityā¦ what were your survey responses for those workouts you found very challenging, but completed?
Presumably, choosing 4 or 5 for that type of effort should shift AT into a mode where it sees you having some trouble, and may then reduce pending workout levels in attempt to align better with your actual abilities.
My experience has been different, definitely not too hard, and in doing SSB1 HV (shameless plug hereās a playlist of my vlogs for this https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfTajZyojY38uTTptWgbB369-yXQuugZV) I wasnāt ever recommended anything that is stretch and kept progressing gradually as I kept marking my workouts as moderate. I imagine if I did something like all out or struggled with workouts AT would have scaled back my progression. Yes AT kind of sets your workouts to the hardest level youāve achieved, but I would think if itās indicated that youāre struggling it would reduce the recommended levels.
Iām forwarding your feedback to the AT team- this is not how we want it to work! For me itās been the exact opposite- a more sustainable progression than ever before, and since starting AT Iāve not failed a single workout. However, thereās certainly room for fine-tuning in how it ramps you from week to week, so this is very valuable and important feedback. 
*cracks knuckles*
Best guess: Log In to TrainerRoad
Raymond +7 is VO2max 8.1, 4x8 at 108% with 5-minute recoveries. Elephants +4 is VO2max 8.4, 6x6 at 108% with 3-minute recoveries. Red Lake +8 is VO2max 7.2, 5x6 at 108% with 5-minute recoveries, so keeping the intensity but shortening the interval and giving yourself more time to get ready for the next one.
Itās not so much ābridging the gapā as stepping back a bit to let you get the work done without driving yourself into the ground.
Thanks @ellotheth for your considered thoughts. Red Lake +8 was actually the vo2max workout that preceded the Raymond +7 one the week prior. My thoughts on that workout were:
Looks like I might just repeat that this week to see how I go. Thanks again 
Ok I resign
Red Lake +6 could be another option, but if 4x8 was too rough I donāt know that 5x7 is much of an improvement. You could also take a look at the workouts classified as Threshold that are basically the same but at 105% instead of 108%.
Good shout - out of interest what does Red Lake +6 score on the progression rating/ level?
Whoop sorry, Red Lake +6 is a VO2max 7.8.
I know the notes at the top mention that manual FTP changes are not like a ramp Test but I also noticed my levels changed a lot from the 20 minute test today. (I am assuming this is known but just trying to help ) Test was an increase of 8 Watts from previous if that changes anything
Before test
After Test
