Typically hard or very hard. āAll outā would be reserved for a race or ramp test. My last ramp test I couldnāt even get close to all out. My legs just stopped moving about 8-9 beats shy of max HR which I almost always hit during a ramp.
Thatās awesome. I was in build, pre-specialty which may have made a difference.
Maybe Iām just a lopsided rider. My sweet spot progression was 9.5 or 9.6, but threshold and VO2 were in the low 5 to mid 6 range. It was mostly VO2 and threshold work prescribed. I tended to take my Sunday Sweet spot outdoors for a longer endurance ride whenever weather allowed.
This looks like intended behavior- your FTP increased, so your levels adjusted to make your upcoming workouts at a higher workload more comfortably achievable.
Sweet thanks for the clarification! (user error 
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Donāt think of it that way. Itās a reminder to us at TR that we need to build in more education and clarity for our athletes when this happens!
Just my personal opinion, but for an 8w increase on an FTP of over 300 (basically within a 2% error margin), thatās too big a change for the some of those levels. Doesnāt make a lot of sense that Endurance actually increased too.
Thatās just based on looking at the workouts youād be doing at those levels. Across the board theyād actually have you doing lower wattage on average than pre-test. I can only assume this is done so youāre starting off easier with the expectation that youāre ramping up again?
Edit - On re-reading that sounds like Iām saying itās broken. Thatās not quite it, just trying to understand if itās intentionally making it easier to give more headroom to build up again into (though the endurance level is still confusing).
Are progression levels going to be available to the TR public soon or will this be released when adaptive training is ready? Thanks!
Failed a VO2max session earlier and now it wants to adapt basically everything, even though Iāve shown no indication that Iām likely to struggle with Sweet Spot / Threshold. Frustrating.
Iāve been meaning to make a post asking about what TR really does when reviewing the survey responses, but my quick take is the following. This is far from complete and a TOTAL guess on my part, but the survey responses would likely need to be relative to the difficulty of the workout, relative to the PL you have for that Level, at the start of the workout.
3 Hard
- Expected result for workouts in the Productive range of your starting PL. This might mean a minimal increase in PL upon successful completion.
- Not desired result for workouts in the Achievable range of your starting PL. This might mean a notable decrease in PL upon successful completion.
4 Very Hard
- Expected result for workouts in the Stretch range of your starting PL. This might mean a notable increase in PL upon successful completion.
- Not desired result for workouts in the Productive range of your starting PL. This might mean a notable decrease in PL upon successful completion.
If you are scraping by, using hacks or finishing workouts with back pedals or other bails, I think at least a 4 is right, and maybe even a 5 if you are really having major trouble. 4ās may result in a drop of your PL, but not necessarily if you are doing workouts in the Stretch or Breakthrough for your current level.
I am sure itās all more complicated than that, but I have looked at it this way.
For me any sort of back pedal / hack / cadence change / survival sprint would put it into the all out rating. Maybe Iām doing it wrong.
I donāt know that you are wrong. TR has mentioned more than once, that the most important thing on the surveys is āto be consistentā. So, we may all have varied definitions about what a ā3ā means, and that may be fine.
They make it sound like AT looks at our response, along with what it sees in the workout performance metrics, and ālearnsā about the total result. As such, there may be no hard definition of the survey response that applies to everyone.
Since I have been using my own scale of effort for years in the ride notes, I already had a thought on what the max, min, and middle of any scale meant to me.
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EASY: I did it without any real effort or consideration.
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MODERATE: Not āeasyā, but I didnāt have to work that much.
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HARD: Took some real effort, but I never felt in trouble or doubted my pending completion fully on target
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VERY HARD: Took more focus than a 3. Actually wondered if I could finish at one or more moments, but I didnāt need to ācheatā in any real way.
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ALL OUT: I finished, but I was in a DEEP hole mentally, fighting breathing, muscle cramps and/or used some tricks to get to the end (back pedals, pauses, etc.)
- Previously in my own system, this was also the one I used for any āfailsā. TRās system uses it in the Success section, and has a separate fail one. So when I use 5, it is because the workout smashed me and left me in a heap for hours.
I think my main issue is that it seems to be trying to make things (significantly) easier when I mark workouts as hard or very hard. 95% of the workouts are of that level for me though, doesnāt really stop me getting through them.
Itās āall outā where Iāve really had problems (and likely lost the will to live). Hard and very hard just suckā¦ but training indoors mostly sucks anyway!
I think Iām at the point where adaptations will be turned off by default and Iāll try to work out whatās next based on levels / style of workout. Looking forward to the new variations turning up so I can give myself nice small increments / decrements.
Number of Athletes in Adaptive Training Beta as of today 4/27/21 : 925! 
Thanks, all.
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Addition rate seems to be ramping up 
Thatās goods news for us impatient folk 
Re joining trainerroad in tge next couple of days and starting a new plan next week, be awsome if I coukd be added to use adaptive training. 
TBH I was surprised to be included this week as I havenāt been following a TR plan for quite a while now although I have been a TR subscriber for a very long time. Anyway, it has motivated me to launch a new plan so weāll see how it goes.
Aside from the functionality the GUI does look really nice on a large screen TV.
Evidence suggests begging and bribes do not make a difference.
Patience doesā¦ 
It seems to me that although people are randomly selected, the preference is for those who are already training according to some existing TR plan. In this case, AT provides an overview of the success of the plan
@PhilSJones
Perhaps we are just using wrong arguments 
Given myself the best chance by renewing my subscription.