do you also use intervals.icu? how do the estimated TSSs compare?
Last couple rides:
- 1:14 yesterday: TR 80, Intervals 82
- 3:06 today: TR 155, Intervals 152
Close enough for government work!
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Couple of things I noticed today:
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I completed Mount Alyeska-1, a 5.3 VO2max workout, rated a stretch for me at VO2max progression level 3.2. I passed the workout, riding significantly over the power target for each interval, and was still left at level 3.2 after the workout. The analysis page even gives me an explicit “+0”. Is this expected behavior?
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Less related to adaptive training but I’m not sure I noticed this before getting into the beta, if I have two activities in one day, the calendar only loads the first of the two and I guess I just lose the TSS associated with the 2nd one.
My apologies if these are known issues, just wanted to get these out there.
How much is "significantly over target power? How did you rate the workout in the survey?
1: Definitely not. Even rating a 5.3 as all out should have resulted in an increase from 3.2.
2: I’ve also had some (in app) calendar issues since joining the beta.
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On the 4 intervals, I was +8W, +5W, +8W, and +25W vs target power. My heart rate didn’t really get into a “Vo2max” kind of range until the last interval or maybe two. I rated it “Hard”.
I should note I guess that this looks the same in the Desktop app, Android app, and web view.
Yeah I’d submit an email to support@trainerroad.com to let them know your experience. The 8 and 5 watt ones are small enough to fall within trainer/PM accuracy, but 25 watts is quite significant. Even if your heart rate isn’t high, the breathing rate should be, and to my understanding that’s the actual goal for VO2Max: maximum oxygen uptake.
Anyway, my guess is AT is waiting on another data point before bumping your level up in case you were just having a good day. Also, sometimes it takes a bit for the ride to sync and suggest adaptations. So even if the level doesn’t change, the future workouts might. But like I mentioned first thing, best bet is to email support about it.
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@TxAg15 don’t think AT uses your actual performance on the workout (yet). Is the “super-pass” feature even implemented? Multiple people have mentioned this: by going harder than you should have and then rating it according to how you felt (not how you would have felt if you had sticked to power targets) the only thing that AT sees is that you thought it was hard. Accordingly, you don’t get a bump.
All speculation here, especially from my side, hope that TR can clear up our constant guess work.
It’s just interesting because I have done other workouts that immediately bumped my levels, even if just a couple of tenths or whatever. Also I would think Hard, as opposed to Very Hard or All Out, would be appropriate for a VO2 workout. And if I passed a level 5.3, with a little higher than prescribed power, and it had the appropriate difficulty, I would think it should bump me up from 3.2 at least some, if not all the way to 5.3. I’ve submitted a support ticket and we’ll see what they come back with.
Yeah, it definitely should. I am curious what you report back!
I was hoping we would of had the workout rankings out by now. I really dont care that they may change or how they get adjusted it would just give me some info to keep tweaking my own progression.
Any listing of VO2 workouts would be appreciated. I think I have a handle on how they should progress but it would be nice to see. I tend to do 75 minute workouts but just seeing any progression would be helpful.
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I’d argue the workout levels are the most useful part of the system as things stand (though I don’t agree with all of them), even without the adaptations working properly they’ve been handy for making my own modifications.
Related, is there an accepted “beta friendly” way of changing workouts from your training plan? My level is still incorrect for VO2max and the app has scheduled workouts I wont be able to complete. I want to replace them with ones I think I can do, but I don’t know if there’s a way of doing it and having the app consider them as part of the plan.
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Go to calendar, click the workout, click the workout to see the details, scroll down to alternates tab.
Pick a more appropriate workout ( you can filter by achievable/stretch/not recommended etc).
Click OK to all the “Do you want to replace this workout?” warnings.
Done. Seems to work for me without messing up the plan.
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Excellent, thanks.
Edit - Not sure if it’s a bug or not, but I’m not seeing all of the similar workouts in the alternates tab. I wanted to replace Cumberland -1 with Cumberland or Virginia +1 but neither are showing as options for me (even if I set all durations and look through each of the productive / stretch / etc options)
Virginia is classified as an endurance workout rather than tempo, so I don’t imagine it would be an alternate as it isn’t the same energy system.
Cumberland though is the same classification but 1.5 higher in level. I would think it should show as an alternate for Cumberland -1, so idk why it isn’t (I don’t see it listed either).
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Virginia +2, sorry, should have been clearer.
(It’s definitely not showing either, same for Boarstone +2)
Edit - Looks like a similar issue trying to replace Phoenix -1. Have a few options missing that I can see on the website. I’ve contacted support to see what they say, might be beta related.
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Hello TR community,
I had requested access to the AT beta (all be it 1 day after announcing it) and do not seem to have access yet. Has the roll out been slow? or did I mess something up when applying?
I cannot wait to try this feature out!
Latest vlog for week 4 of SSB1 using adaptive training
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Yes it has been slow, check the first post of this thread for updates.
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