Got it. That would be nice. I just spent my lunch our reviewing the original Sustained Power Build plan and my current AT version. I added a new workout for each one set this week as a more appropriate start to this 2nd half of Build. I will see how I did in guessing after my next hard workout Thursday evening.
Depending on how I hit that, I expect some big changes from AT. If not, I will consider what change I may need for my next hard one on Sat and continue until I see positive changes from AT.
Wow, some funky stuff going on with the AT beta. Makes me feel a little better about not getting the invite yet. But it seems like AT works well enough right now if you donât change your FTP (test or manual) and youâre just doing indoor ridesâŚobviously two pretty big ifs.
Just a note on this, last week I did an 8.1 Sweet Spot session and it was literally everything I had to get through it. There were points where I really, really wanted to quit, but just about managed to distract myself enough to get through it.
My last FTP test was probably two months ago, and itâs very likely that Iâm a meaningful chunk higher now than I was then. Certainly Iâm doing sessions that I definitely couldnât have done two months ago.
âŚand with that in mind, if my FTP increased even 5%, I wouldnât get through the adjusted session. So yes, the sessions are scaled to your FTP, but itâs worth remembering that theyâre scaled to what your FTP was. Thatâs the idea behind not immediately having you at the same levels after an upwards FTP change.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, arguably it should have you doing basically the same or slightly higher output you were doing just before the FTP change, and using whatever level / sessions enable you to do that. Changing your FTP hasnât magically made you a stronger rider, itâs just given you a more up to date measurement.
Edit - Itâs hard to explain without example workouts⌠but if youâd been using Adaptive Training for a few weeks and it had calculated that you could do 4 x 20 min intervals at 250w for tomorrowâs workout (stretch), you wouldnât necessarily want that session being 4 x 20 min intervals at 265w (possibly breakthrough) just because youâd changed your FTP today.
Exactly that is my understanding, the levels adjust just enough that your work before and after FTP Test feel almost the same so a level 5.6 @ 250FTP is more demanding than a 5.6 @ 240FTP for the same person that just increase his FTP from 240 to 250.
Fail criteria question and âeasyâ endurace rides.
How would AT handle an endurance ride that I purposely lower by 5%? I often do this on my east days to make the day easier, but still in the endurace zone. I would tag these as easy of course.
Vaguely related, I just got an unexpected (small) bump to my Endurance level from one of my recovery week sessions. I guess I donât do a lot of Endurance sessions!
I now have access to fill out surveys for my outdoor workouts over last weekend. Filling them out results in what appears to be classification for my progression levels, as well. Itâs possible yesterdayâs update addressed both the outdoor workout surveys bug and the Wahoo outdoor workout bug.
I was going to write almost exactly the same. Nothing has changed in your capability pre and post assessment. The reference, FTP, for levels has, because of this it makes sense for your the levels to decrease if this number has increased, you cant magically jump sessions by x% hours later just because of a FTP bump you are still the same person.
I agree that the magnitude of the change is questionable. I guess that the system will learn this over time, seems a bit extreme at the moment from what people have reported. This is probably the main point, not just the decrease itself.
Would be interesting to know how much higher, lower or the same the decreases means for typical EN, SST, Threshold sessions prior and post change in terms of power and duration.
Are you being prompted to complete a survey when you look at the ride? For me Iâm seeing âMissing responseâ from outdoor rides, now for both TR workouts and non TR group ridesâŚ
FWIW I have not been prompted with the survey for outside rides, Iâve just been manually filling them out afterwards. (I donât have power outside so itâs a bit pointless but WHATEVER )
I am not getting a prompt to fill it out (definitely a shortcoming at this time). I have the same experience that you describe.
Workouts last week show progression level changes on the career page for them too, but this week they do not. I think thatâs because this week has been a recovery week, and thereâs no real need to change progression until the ramp test on Tuesday.
If you are using a heart rate meter outside and on the beta, check your TR Account on the web. See of you have a âTSS Estimationâ section. I do and set mine up. Applied it to a MTB rude with HR only and the TSS guess seemed decent.
While yes - most of the current issues certainly / hopefully are because of the beta phase I fully expect that even when beta officially ends there remains a long phase to sort out how helpful AT will be. And what it really will comprise.
I fully expect it wonât be much more than helping a few / some / many folks which struggle with the completion of workouts in feeding them somewhat more appropriate sessions from the library. Which will be already a good thing, I guess.
In no way will it be a revolution in providing a feed back adaptive training in the means of altering the training regimen per se so as to cater for the needs of an athlete to develop their systems in regard of their chosen target (long endurance, race deciding punchiness etc.). If so - I will be pleasantly surprised. Regarding the state of the science (physiology at most) I donât think we will arrive there anyway soon.
Hey, but all will be moot if even the beta shows that their approach doesnât converge at adaptions that make sense. Part of what I read here could also hint at that possibility. I.e. a total ship wreck before ever leaving beta. I certainly donât hope that for the Team, but - we will see in time how things pan out.
I think you are right regarding new progress on the Wahoo outdoor workout processing - I donât have beta access, but in TrainNow, Iâm now seeing very appropriate suggestions based on what Iâve been doing towards end of the general build plan - they all look consistent with recent completions and/or slightly tougher, as intended. And the only TR workouts Iâve been doing for weeks are outside on Wahoo!
Itâs a huge change and improvement from the off-the-couch suggestions that had been there!
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