Excellent - far easier that searching 2000 odd posts 
Is there any way alongside the AT features I can see a weekly summary by power zone of how much time spent in each zone? I can see it for a single session (internal or outside). I would like to see that summarised for a week, or a 4 week period (or a plan period)
Whether I am doing polarized (I am not) or pyramid training (I am), given all this chat about time in zones, it would be really useful to see an overall summary each week of time spent by zones. This way I can balance my training.
It would also help me get a sense of progress (as indicated by the AT development picture) vs effort in each zone.
It would be especially useful as when I am doing outside rides in two circumstances
- As i do long TTs I ride long intervals at Sweet spot and Threshold, and it is useful to see how much time on a 2-3hr TT ride I was in each zone as contributing to an overall week. (not simply for a single ride)
- I often use them to power up hills and develop Z5/6/7 work that is not normally covered in my more sustained power plans for my Time trials. Soi seeing an overall picture would help me.
Just an idea. It may be around but I have not found it.
Thanks
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Iām struggling with this too.
Last 12 weeks or so have been almost exclusively outside or on Zwift, neither of which have impacted on TR training levels. Until this is incorporated, AT is of little useā¦unfortunate, as I want it to work!
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Cool I assumed as much. Looking back at some V02 work in January that was 4.9 and I failed. (Only doing SS) and now I am completing ones 6.8+ (in short power build) would just be cool I bet my threshold and SS levels were high and V02 very low
Below is the best practice we currently have for unstructured rides (i.e. rides that are not a TR workout). They will eventually be counted so do not load up a workout for that day. Just do the ride and have it port over to TR, and when unstructured rides get added to AT, it will pull in that data for progression levels at that time.
@PhilSJones Do you use intervals.icu at all? I think this would be possible with that tool by changing the dates on the correct page to get your TIZ stats.
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So I sacrificed myself for science, and tried to invoke a āsuperpassā, but it didnāt seem to recognize it. It just counts it as a regular workout and also doesnāt offer to change any planned future workouts. I also marked the survey as āmoderateā when I was finished.
Iām not suggesting this is a bug, but just highlighting that functionality doesnāt seem to be implemented.
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Hmmm. but thatās not really correct. It doesnāt ask you about how many hours you have to train. It specifically asks you āhow many hours per week have you trained in the last six weeksā AND it asks how many years of structured interval training youāve done. Only then will it give you a high-volume SSB-like plan.
In fact, if you say youāve done 6-9 hours of training per week the last six weeks, it recommends the mid-volume (3-7 hours) plan. If you click on the high-volume (6-10 hours) anyway, it warns you, āWe highly recommend the suggested (mid-volume) training volume. Are you sure you want to change itā?
The problem is that some people (most people?) vastly over-estimate how much actual training theyāve done, and how much they can do. The high-volume plan is no joke - itās 600-700+ TSS per week of tough, tough workouts. The high-volume SSB plan will destroy riders that were doing ā10 hours a weekā once in a while, of which 4+ hours were spent noodling around outside on the weekend with cake stops. I think the training plan builder already tries to warn people away from it, but TR would probably do itself a favor by making it even more explicit: āGoing with the low or mid-volume plan is not some affront to your masculinity, build up to the high-volume SSB planā.
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The big difference that will impact xert is that TR have more money and a more polished product. However, Xert is lightyears in front of TR when it comes to personalised training.
I may be wrong but TR AT looks like itās based on compliance. Fail a workoutā¦prescribe an easier one. Pass a workout prescribe a harder one. Xert adjusts workouts whilst you are doing themā¦on the fly and is also based on what the system thinks you can do based on the training you are doing. Includes, workouts, outdoor rides, structured, unstructured, races etc. Itās incredibly accurate. Also shows your threshold power based on the testing you have done.
Iām sure TR will get there, but they are easy behind xert with personalised training.
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oh erā¦!!!
I am more than capable of dialling down or up myself (or going for a toilet break). Heading into a session then having it adjust itself, having mentally preped myself for what I am going to doā¦ That would be horrible!
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Quite clearly u havenāt used Xert. You shouldnāt knock things until you have tried them. It adjusts the workouts to make sure you hit the prescribed training.
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Yes I have to agree with you.
I used Xert not as training tool but as an indicator during my group rides and races.
The Garmin field that showed how much you can push yourself was very useful.
The big BIG down side for me was the complexity of the software; charts etc. or maybe it was me and my lack of interest of getting to know these charts.
I think I did maybe 10 indoor rides max with XERT. Rest of it outside use only.
Yes TR is probably behind at the moment but Iām sure the cap will be closed rather quickly. And after all you can always choose which product you use or maybe you choose to use them at the same time.
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Iāve been dropping my data into intervals.icu for this kind of advanced analysis. Itās free (well, donationware) and the depth of analysis is out of this world. He adds new features constantly.
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Yup, I use both. Like you, I use the live Garmin fields for pacing races, hill climbs etc. Itās incredibly accurate. I also use their focus data field when training outdoors.
I use TR for workouts to supplement my training. The app is incredibly reliable, I like the calendar and analytical functionality.
Got through about 3 cycles of TR BBS and a couple of cycles of xert. Iāve personally got better results using Xert without feeling as fatigued doing the same volume of training.
The main reason for this I believe is not looking at everything using TSS but using xerts strain results. All TSS is not equal. A 60 min 80 TSS ride is much harder than a 80 TSS 2 hour ride. Xert understands this and adjusts your training accordingly.
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I have used Xert and I hated that feature. I donāt doubt that other people love it, but I think itās pretty polarizing.
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Interested as to why you hated it. Genuine question.
I wanted to add an outdoor ride last weekend of about an hour, so I decided to add a Tempo session to the calendar and schedule it for outside with my Edge 530.
The workout roughly fit my outdoor riding behavior/plan and ended up counting toward my progression so I suppose that technique worked out as I would have hoped in my scenario.
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Iāve tried Xert several times, and really really wanted it to work, because itās obviously the way forward - TR certaintly didnāt invent the concept - heck, I donāt even think Xert invented the concept - from one perspective you could say itās automating what coaches have (tried) to do for decades, but in a far more precise, objective way, and the robo-coach can do it in real time.
However, the whole experience with Xert was clunky at best. Using it for workouts on iOS or PC was unbelieviably frustrating when it worked at all and the whole experience / interface was a convoluted mess. Maybe theyāve improved that in the interim, but one thing TR does is that itās always been an extremely clean, intuitive interface. It does one thing and does it really well.
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Me too - good idea wrapped up in an awful UI/app (and not Wahoo compatible - or at least wasnāt when I used it).
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Itās my birthday, any chance TrainerRoad wants to gift me one of those AT slots?! 
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I started using Xert last year and I find it very helpful. The ability for it to tell when I need to back off and rest or take easy days is spot on. And when I have ignored it, I usually end up pulling a muscle the ona run within the next week (triathlete). What I do not understand about TRās adaptive training is that they say they are not monitoring fatigue (yet). Without monitoring fatigue, it seems that they are just adjusting workout ālevelsā so you can successfully complete a plan. There is no way to tell you to back off because you went way to hard on a group ride, or went way too long on a weekend ride. Still looking forward to its release or my acceptance into the beta.
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