Me too - good idea wrapped up in an awful UI/app (and not Wahoo compatible - or at least wasn’t when I used it).
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It’s my birthday, any chance TrainerRoad wants to gift me one of those AT slots?! 
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I started using Xert last year and I find it very helpful. The ability for it to tell when I need to back off and rest or take easy days is spot on. And when I have ignored it, I usually end up pulling a muscle the ona run within the next week (triathlete). What I do not understand about TR’s adaptive training is that they say they are not monitoring fatigue (yet). Without monitoring fatigue, it seems that they are just adjusting workout “levels” so you can successfully complete a plan. There is no way to tell you to back off because you went way to hard on a group ride, or went way too long on a weekend ride. Still looking forward to its release or my acceptance into the beta.
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Tough to say exactly, I guess I’d liken it to using MS Word. I’m telling it to use the formatting I want, but it keeps changing it just a little bit here and there and while sometimes I think “oh that’s a good change”, much more often I find the little changes to be frustrating because I just didn’t want them to happen.
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Not monitoring fatigue will indeed be the Achille’s heel for AT. It might be the case that implicitly the model learns to suggest easier workouts if fatigue is somehow latent in the features they use as input (could this be true @Nate_Pearson?) but I doubt that. Having one, two or more days off depending on the volume, can help with fatigue but life is complicated and derailing from schedule will somehow wreck havoc with AT (I predict, since I am not on the beta). I am curious to see how the whole thing will work out in the end, meaning I would like to see how it works after three or four months of use.
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Currently, it will not suggest a rest day or time off the bike. However, if you take time off the bike or move your schedule around, your progression levels will decay over time. This decay may result in adaptations of future workouts, depending on how long that break is. If it’s only a day or two, I can’t imagine it adjusting much. If you take a week off, I suspect it will have several adaptation changes.
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Disclaimer - I am not in the beta so this is based purely on what I have read on the forums 
I would assume within AT fatigue is managed by adjusting the intensity of workouts. Which should work great, as long as you are following a plan to a T. It’s when you go off on your own (like an extra hard group ride or very long weekend ride) that TR needs a system to monitor fatigue/stress/strain/etc. For me, a triathlete, it gets even more complicated. TR isn’t even pulling in run workouts, so it is based purely on bikes.
One of the ways I have dealt with these things in Xert is to pull in my runs with heart rate. Xert gives me a “derived” load from my run and adjusts my recommended workouts based on the combo of bike power and run heart rate. Xert recommends putting runs into a separate account and manually transfer the information over, but this has been working great for me.
Just my uneducated (and quite possibly incorrect) 2 cents 
Even with all my questions I can’t wait to try AT and see how it works!
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It only adjusts if you don’t hit the target. So if you are hitting the target it won’t adjust. If you aren’t hitting the target because of fatigue you can always skip the 8ntervsl easily (something I cannot believe TR does not easily have in the app or repeat interval)
If you are going too hard it adjusts duration to make sure you aren’t doing the wrong workout.
So if you compare it to TR with a static workout. If you hit target it’s the same.
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Nailed it - I am using a Wahoo head unit. Any idea on timing for this to be corrected? Thanks.
Yes, I think we all wait to see how AT will work, especially on the long run. And yes, it is when life happens and one deviates from the schedule that could potentially be problematic for users. But maybe I am wrong I guess that the AT team is heavily testing such scenarios. That’s why @Nate_Pearson et al. are reluctant to give a specific date, it’s not only bugs and confusions but also behavior in the long run.
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I don’t think we can compare AT with Xert’s approach until we see how AT handles unstructured / outdoor rides. I am guessing that piece of the puzzle is much harder than checking interval compliance.
I’ve got a bug ticket in on it and they are definitely aware of it and have it on their to-do list. There is no current time frame on correcting it as it could be variable depending on complexity of the bug in question. I would imagine this is rather complex as it involves an external partner.
That said, below is a post from TR yesterday about future transparency on bugs for AT moving forward.
Thanks much!
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As promised yesterday, we just added a list of known issues to the bottom of the original post. Things that are crossed out have been addressed already and fixed. We’ll update this as more bugs are found and/or fixed.
The other thing you’ll notice is custom workouts now have levels computed for them and will be classified when you complete them like other TR workouts are. Since we don’t have as much data on classified custom workouts please feel free to report if a classification received doesn’t seem correct. We’ve tested this against thousands of workouts, but we still expect this to improve over time.
Edit: We’re also regularly updating the number of athletes who have been given beta access.
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All of my custom workouts have a progression category (and I think they seem correct) but all show a progression level of 0.0 is this expected as of now?
Hmm… I said no to updating my plan with adaptive training (I did preview the changes), but it seems to have added in a bunch of sessions anyway. Making me wish I’d had a printout beforehand!
Any way to get back into that suggested changes screen?
Edit - Also, what do you do if you think one of your zones is wrong? My VO2max is showing achievable on sessions that I’ve failed recently (and most definitely don’t want to try harder versions of yet!).
I really can’t stress enough how important this is to resolve with spring weather arriving in the US. Wahoo is a huge user base that was already significantly delayed to get outdoor workouts the first time - but finally came just in time to see a good reason to stay on as an annual subscriber when it finally arrived. I’ve been back on a TR plan for first time in months trying to seed data for AT someday using outdoor workouts and kind of surprised how long this issue has been percolating.
If I have to go buy a Garmin, I’m going to also be able to finally check out Xert. Please don’t make me get a Garmin for so many reasons 
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Agreed! I hope the Wahoo Outdoor workout issue is an easy fix. Planning to use it this week!!!
I’m sure nobody wants it to be fixed more than the TR staff. Not only for making the product better but also because many of them also likely use Wahoo head units. And for what it’s worth, the bug is listed in the original post now as one of the bugs being addressed.
That said, you can still do outdoor workouts on the head units. It’s just not affecting progression levels right now. I imagine once it is fixed, it will bring that info in, so don’t shy away from doing them just because of AT.
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Are these workouts that have been completed or just ones in your library? We are currently running a backfill to classify outcomes on custom workouts in the past, but you should be seeing them for workouts in your custom workout library.