Greg Lemond on the Roadman Cycling Podcast: Omerta Busted

It’s amazing how pro rider positions have changed.

No more seat slammed all the way back and a much more open hip angle these days even in the drops.

It’s well established;
Changing cadence is like a slider between cardiovascular and muscular endurance; the faster you spin, the less force you need, but the higher the cardio load for a given power. EPO gives you massively boosted cardio ability, so it’s obvious that to take advantage of this, you want to spin faster. Which Lance obviously did.

There are plenty of other effects from the cocktail of drugs they were on, so there’s not no benefit if they kept the same cadence, but spinning fast is at least related to EPO usage.

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Jan Ullrich would like a word. :wink:

Good pod. Thanks for the link.

Next podcast: Floyd Landis: The One That Actually Busted Omerta

(ok, hopefully not… we can leave well enough alone at this point)

Curious does Greg’s understanding of VO2max and performance prediction jive with the today’s understanding of Vo2max and performance prediction?

“jibe”…“jive” is a slang form of speech.

/PetPeeve

:crazy_face:

'Jive' vs. 'Jibe' vs. 'Gibe' | Merriam-Webster).

‘Jive’ is not defined as “in accord with,” but has been used as such since the 1940s.

…and is therefore now correct through usage. :stuck_out_tongue:

Wasn’t also the mr 60% meshing a 53-14 up Hautecam.
I love Lemond but he is sometimes trolling around.

Did everyone run out and buy a copy of Lemond’s 1985 book after this podcast?

I ordered a copy because I had never bought the book and was curious. It was a cheap thrill and there were tons on ebay for $5ish. The seller cancelled my order indicating that it was out of stock.

Now the cheapest copy on ebay is $20 (bidding) plus shipping. The second cheapest copy is $80 and the only other copy on ebay! The cheapest used copy on Amazon is $39. Google shopping shows several starting at $50.

What happened? There were tons and tons of $5 copies two weeks ago!

Haha, that’s crazy. I just check my local library - there is one there. You might have some luck at your library as well. I also looked to see if there were any of those strange versions of fake audible books on youtube but no go.

Yes! I had one years ago but wanted to go back down memory lane. Bought mine for $4 from a used book store not eBay.

I was able to check it out online for free. I’m just surprised that like 50 people all got the same idea to go buy this $5 book all of a sudden. I figure it was the Roadman podcast and him going on about photocopying the book at the library and another pro calling it the best training plan ever.

I’ll just wait until the $5 copies show up again or buy it if I find one in a used book shop. I can be patient.

I’ve been reading the training section. I’m surprised how much sprint interval training he did. On first glance it reminds me of Fastcat’s decreasing fatigue training (hard - medium - easy - off).


Yeah, someone above mentioned 1985, I think

Yeah. They seem like just the cycling equivalent to strides. Not sure who doesn’t do strides in the running world.

Yeah, I had super low thyroid levels a couple years ago (my doc was surprised I could get out of bed every day) and I’m now on a pretty large dose of synthroid. I didn’t really lose any weight or get super lean. But I also wasn’t closely watching my diet at the time so it’s possible I just ate a bit more to compensate.

But you definitely have to be careful with taking a bit too high of a dose. I had my dose bumped up too high a year or so ago and I just got bad anxiety, I was hot all the time, and my HR was like 5-10 beats higher all the time and it would just pound in my ears. It was not fun at all. That stopped within a couple days of dropping the dose back down.

I wonder if 50% of those samples were taking synthroid just because high level athletes are more likely to get blood tests for that sort of thing so they are more likely to find out they have minor hypothyroidism. Also, I’ve read that there is possible links to high volume training and lower thyroid levels. So maybe the 20+hr training weeks lead to more of those athletes exhibiting the condition.

I was impressed that he was doing sprint intervals all year long. Short ones in base. 30-45 seconds in build - even double days. And do another SIT workout on Friday if you don’t have a race on Sunday.

One thing is that LeMond is a high VO2max slow twitch athlete. He can probably do all these sprint intervals and not kill himself. A sprinter probably can’t do as many since they would go so deep.

His training model reminds of Fascat - decreasing intensity except Fascat does it with SS and base. Admittedly I haven’t seen a lot of Fascat plans.

Lemond:
Mon: off
Tues: SIT training (double day)
Wed: tempo to threshold intervals
Thurs: endurance
Friday: recovery or SIT if no weekend race

Fascat:
Mon: off
Tues: sweet spot
Wed: tempo
Thurs: endurance
Friday: off

I’m fascinated by the training plan. i can’t believe I never bought the book when I racing the early 90s. We were all flying blind with no plans. :slight_smile:

When LeMond talks about threshold intervals, he says do them at 90%. And then he only does 30 minutes or so. Where’s the 3x20 or 3x30s you hear people talk about today?

Or maybe, LeMond was such a phenomenal talent that he could have done most anything. :slight_smile:

I’ve only ever bought (and therefore seen) the base plans. Funny because I find myself naturally falling into this pattern at times when I’m not obsessively planning ahead and mapping it all out (which, these days, is most of the time, if I’m being honest).